From: John Cuccia 

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:26:10 -0500, "Mark"
 wrote:

> I happened to watch that segment, some intern put up a poorly worded
>crawler on the screen.

So, in your world words don't mean what they say, and the peons are always
responsible (just like when the Bush people blamed their Mission
Accomplished banner on sailors).

>From that, Media Matters determines that same intern
>is calling Fox's pretenses? Of course they do...

What does "calling Fox's pretenses" mean?  That doesn't seem to
relate at all to what I wrote.

>"John Cuccia"  wrote in message
>news:plfvv1t2qru6tgf4803qll1alsebf1tetc{at}4ax.com...
>> Even Fox News has dropped the pretense that there is no civil war in
>> Iraq, and have begun speculating that it may be for the best.
>>
>> http://mediamatters.org/items/200602240003
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:08:59 -0500, "Mark"
 wrote:
>>
>>>Oddly enough, it's the *other* ongoing events, like elections and
>>>constitutions that get sloshed off to page B19 that give me cause to
>>>remain
>>>optimistic.
>>>
>>>As I recall Buckley wasn't for the Iraq war from the getgo and he's
>>>getting
>>>pretty old, so may want to take his bow now, lest he never get the chance
>>>
>>>
>>>"John Cuccia"  wrote in message
>>>news:d64vv1p4c9bif4ddaps4i30acg56fq9hoi{at}4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:06:32 -0500, "Mark"
 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>We'll see how things shake out, you've been
pessimistic since before
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>beginning, this is just one more event you're
using to support your
>>>>>>>unwavering world-view that we lost before we started.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Events are proving that your Pollyana-like faith
in a positive outcome
>>>>>> has always been unfounded.
>>>>>
>>>>>As with multiple previous negative events, to you all
is lost because of
>>>>>each one.
>>>>
>>>> You still don't get it.  It's not any single event
signifying that we
>>>> have failed in Iraq, it is the sum of all events since the invasion
>>>> that point to our failure.  Here's someone who agrees with
me.  I know
>>>> that you (and the Garys) probably consider this guy to be a
>>>> faux-conservative and RINO, but you should really listen to what he
>>>> has to say on this:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley200602241451.asp
>>>> One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed. The
>>>> same edition of the paper quotes a fellow of the American Enterprise
>>>> Institute. Mr. Reuel Marc Gerecht backed the American
intervention. He
>>>> now speaks of the bombing of the especially sacred Shiite mosque in
>>>> Samara and what that has precipitated in the way of revenge. He
>>>> concludes that "The bombing has completely
demolished" what was being
>>>> attempted - to bring Sunnis into the defense and interior
ministries.
>>>>
>>>> Our mission has failed because Iraqi animosities have proved
>>>> uncontainable by an invading army of 130,000 Americans.
>>>>
>>>
>

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