On Mon, 29 May 2017 19:26:50 GMT
alister  wrote:

> On Mon, 29 May 2017 15:31:21 +0200, M.O.B. i L. wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:27:25 GMT alister 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:57:54 +0200, M.O.B. i L. wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:58:42 +0100 Folderol
> >> >  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:12:43 +0200 "M.O.B. i L."
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Sun, 28 May 2017 22:44:25 +0200 "A. Dumas"
> >> >> >  wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > On 28/05/2017 21:38, M.O.B. i L. wrote:
> >> >> > > > This comment (above) was censored from raspberrypi.org,
> >> >> > > > and this shows they can't handle free speech.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I know that you didn't quite say that your right to free
> >> >> > > speech was violated, but
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You have the right to not support an organization that is
> >> >> > against free speech in comments to their articles. In this
> >> >> > age with terrorism against children we should be able to
> >> >> > discuss how to best stop it. But CoderDojo and Raspberry Pi
> >> >> > Foundation does not even allow mentors to have a very private
> >> >> > discussion about this topic completely outside of CoderDojo.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have a recording of the last phone meeting from the
> >> >> > CoderDojo Foundation:
> >> >> > https://youtu.be/fXdqEEOmU4E (52 min)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I was active mentor in CoderDojo once a week from 2013-2016.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Erm...
> >> >> If your very private conversation was completely outside, how
> >> >> would they know about it?
> >> >
> >> > I answered a friends post on Facebook and he had a friend that
> >> > was a radical islamist, and that guy contacted CoderDojo and
> >> > lied about me. It's all explained in the link below the video.
> >> > This islamist had probably searched online and noticed that I
> >> > was a mentor in CoderDojo. He didn't normally have anything to
> >> > do with CoderDojo. He just wanted in general to destroy what he
> >> > perceived as threats to the islamist agenda. CoderDojo should
> >> > not be tricked by this.
> >>
> >> So it wasn't a comet made in private it was a public statement
> >>
> >> Posting on Facebook unless you have restricted it to invited
> >> friends only (& I don't trust Facebook to honour anything
> >> regarding privacy) then you are doing the equivalent of taking out
> >> a full page add in the Times.
> >>
> >> the same applies to twitter & all of the other social media
> >> (including this newsgroup) that people use insist on misusing for
> >> "private" conversations.
> >
> > I replied to a post to only friends.
>
> Clearly not as it was visible to someone who found it offensive

The post was only seen by his Facebook-friends, but I didn't know he
had friends with strange opinions. I linked to an article that claimed
that there is a connection between what it says in the Koran and
islamic terrorist attacks. I think that's rather evident and
uncontroversial. A friends Facebook-friends are not necessarily my
personal friends.

> > But I think a CoderDojo mentor should be allowed to write what I
> > wrote even if they do so publicly. There is nothing illegal about
> > it. But I don't think one should discuss politics inside the
> > CoderDojo since there one should only teach programming.
>
> whilst i defend your right to hold & voice whatever opinions you may
> have
> - even if i do not agree with them I do have sympathy with CoderDojo
> on this.
>
> As a mentor you are in a position of authority & it is right for
> Coder Dojo to make sure its mentors are not trying to politically
> motivate students (in any direction) BUT if there is no indication
> that these opinions are being expressed in that environment then
> their actions as described do seem heavy handed.

I don't discuss politics at all in CoderDojo, but only help with
programming or electronics. But if the children want to upload projects
that are against the rules of a website I would inform about that.

What CoderDojo Foundations did was that they said I wasn't allowed to
start a new CoderDojo, but I am allowed to join existing CoderDojos as
a mentor. It's only that there are no other CoderDojos near me. It
was the champion of the local CoderDojo that don't want me there. I
think I should be allowed to start a new CoderDojo where I live, which
is rather far away from the local CoderDojo I was a mentor in. Now, I
can of course start something similar to a CoderDojo, but doesn't have
the CoderDojo name. I could e.g. start a CodeClub, but now that might be
impossible since CoderDojo and Raspberry Pi have merged, and then
perhaps the CodeClubs will become CoderDojos, and you can't perhaps
start new CodeClubs.

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