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from: David Smith
date: 2003-03-07 01:05:56
subject: Re: [trekcreative] ST:SFA 1.1: Beginnings 1B- The Response
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All I'm saying for now about the incident that was going to be the short
st= ory Hunter's Moon was that the Farstar is incredibly outgunned by the
singl= e Jem'Hadar fighter that it encounters. A key part of the story is
the Fars= tar's crew coming to terms with the fact that, in a straight
fight, they wo= uld last about 20 seconds against the enemy.

The whole thing is about thinking outside the box.

As it is I've decided to move the story formerly known as Hunter's Moon up
= in the schedule. I'm putting it into the story I'm writing now as a story
t= old by Serendipity to the other main characters since it explains
certain t= hings about her. It means I will have to rewrite bits and pieces
that I've = already written but as it is I am rewriting large parts of the
story anyway= .=20

I should have something ready to post by Saturday or Sunday.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Hailey, Jay=20
  To: 'trekcreative{at}yahoogroups.com'=20
  Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:36 AM
  Subject: RE: [trekcreative] ST:SFA 1.1: Beginnings 1B- The Response


  > Once the shooting starts is the operative term there.  What if the shoo=
ting
  > hadn't started yet, and they took the first shot. Starfleet on the whol=
e
  > does NOT take the first shot.  And if they did take the first shot, tha=
t
  > violates what Starfleet is.  A Peace Keeping Force.

  Once the Dominion made clear that a war was on, the a more warlike set of=
 rulke
  of engagement would be in force,  i think.

  >> *what* options?

  > Why is Starfleet Starfleet.  What makes it Starfleet. It's NOT the ship=
s,
  > it's NOT the training.  It's the morality that sets them apart. Somethi=
ngs
  > wrong. Lets go help.  Given the option of saving lives or waylaying the=
 bad
  > guy, Starfleet will save the people.  If they didn't....they're not the
  > Starfleet  * I *  want to see.

  Well - mainly the reason I avoid the Dominion War is because the ST-OM ar=
c was
  designed *before* the Dominion war happened on the screen.

  But during the Kliges'chee war,  Starfleet will attack the Kliges'chee.  =
The
  Kliges'chee have *already* killed billions and bombed whole planets to de=
ath.

  That counts as firing first.=20=20

  Now if the Kliges'chee stop their warfare and request talks,  then Starfl=
eet
  would happily oblige (While being careful of a trap.  You can't save anyo=
ne if
  you get yourself shot.)  While the Klingons or the Romulans would use it =
as a
  break to regroup and pursue their war.

  The difference is this - Starfleet believes that peace can be achieved,  =
the
  Klingons and Romulans believe that Victory can be Achieved.

  Starfleet is the Federation's first line of defense - In the case of the
  Kliges'chee, always insisting that the Kliges'chee start a battle by shoo=
ting
  first is not rational. The Kliges'chee have already said that all space b=
elongs
  to them and they consider everyone else food animals with bad attitudes.

  In the case of an unknown species,  or one where their position is not cl=
ear in
  advance,  then no, Starfleet does not start static.=20=20

  There's a difference between an ongoing war and sticking your toes into t=
he
  unknown.

  In the case of the Dominion, they destroyed tens of thousands of Starflee=
t
  ships and millions of Starfleet people.  The Dominion has announced by wo=
rd and
  Deed that a war is on.  I don't think this means Starfleet is obligated t=
o let
  them shoot first after this.

  Recall this is during a *declared war*,  which changes the rules towards
  declared enemies a bit.

  After the war, the old rules would be in place.

  jay ~meow!~


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All I'm saying for now about the
incident that was
going to be the short story Hunter's Moon was that the Farstar is
incredibly outgunned by the single Jem'Hadar fighter that it encounters. A
key part of the story is the Farstar's crew coming to terms with the fact
that, in a straight fight, they would last about 20 seconds against the
enemy.
 
The whole thing is about
thinking outside the
box.
 
As it is I've decided to move the
story formerly
known as Hunter's Moon up in the schedule. I'm putting it into the story
I'm writing now as a story told by Serendipity to the other main characters
since it
explains certain things about her. It means I will have to rewrite bits and
pieces that I've already written but as it is I am rewriting large
parts of the story anyway. 
 
I should have something ready to
post by Saturday
or Sunday.


  ----- Original Message
----- 
  
From:
  mailto:IMCEAEX-_O=SPOKANE+20COUNTY_OU=GALACTIC_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=JHAILEY
{at}spokanecounty.org">Hailey,
  Jay 
  To: 'trekcreative{at}yahoogroups.com'mailto:'trekcreative{at}yahoogroups.com'">'trekcreative{at}yahoogroups.com'
A>
  
  Sent:
Friday, March 07, 2003 12:36
  AM
  Subject:
RE: [trekcreative] ST:SFA 1.1:
  Beginnings 1B- The Response
  > Once the shooting
starts is the operative term
  there.  What if the shooting> hadn't started
yet, and they took
  the first shot. Starfleet on the whole> does NOT take the first
  shot.  And if they did take the first shot,
that> violates what
  Starfleet is.  A Peace Keeping Force.Once
the Dominion made
clear
  that a war was on, the a more warlike set of rulkeof engagement would be
  in force,  i think.>> *what*
options?> Why is
  Starfleet Starfleet.  What makes it Starfleet. It's NOT the
  ships,> it's NOT the training.  It's the
morality that sets them
  apart. Somethings> wrong. Lets go help.  Given
the option of
  saving lives or waylaying the bad> guy, Starfleet will save the
  people.  If they didn't....they're not the>
Starfleet  * I
  *  want to see.Well - mainly the reason I
avoid the Dominion War
  is because the ST-OM arc wasdesigned *before* the Dominion war happened
on
  the screen.But during the Kliges'chee war, 
Starfleet will
attack
  the Kliges'chee.  TheKliges'chee have *already* killed
billions and
  bombed whole planets to death.That counts as firing
first. 
  Now if the Kliges'chee stop their warfare and request
talks, 
  then Starfleetwould happily oblige (While being careful of a
trap. 
  You can't save anyone ifyou get yourself shot.)  While
the Klingons
  or the Romulans would use it as abreak to regroup and pursue their
  war.The difference is this - Starfleet believes that
peace can be
  achieved,  theKlingons and Romulans believe that Victory can be
  Achieved.Starfleet is the Federation's first line of
defense - In the
  case of theKliges'chee, always insisting that the Kliges'chee start a
  battle by shootingfirst is not rational. The Kliges'chee have already
said
  that all space belongsto them and they consider everyone else food
animals
  with bad attitudes.In the case of an unknown
species,  or one
  where their position is not clear inadvance,  then no, Starfleet
does
  not start static.  There's a difference
between an ongoing war
  and sticking your toes into theunknown.In
the case of the
  Dominion, they destroyed tens of thousands of Starfleetships and millions
  of Starfleet people.  The Dominion has announced by word andDeed
that
  a war is on.  I don't think this means Starfleet is obligated to
  letthem shoot first after this.Recall this
is during a *declared
  war*,  which changes the rules towardsdeclared enemies a
  bit.After the war, the old rules would be in
place.jay
  ~meow!~Star
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