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~> ~> EC> "The water torture was first. The men were tied and ~> ~> EC> stretched flat on their backs on the floor with guards ~> ~> EC> holding their legs. Water was forced into their mouths and ~> ~> EC> noses until they passed out; it was not unlike drowning. ~> ~> EC> The Japanese would force the water out, usually by jumping ~> ~> EC> on their stomachs. When they revived, brought back from ~> ~> EC> the point of death, they were stretched out again and the ~> ~> EC> process was repeated. The Kempei Tai knew exactly how far ~> ~> EC> to go before reviving them." ~> ~> Yep, that was what was done to Neilsen, and worse. ~> ~> But you forgot the rest of it: ~> ~> It was established, for example, in the judgment of the International ~> Military Tribunal - Far East, in Chapter 8, p. 1059: "To indicate the ~> prevalence of torture and the uniformity of the methods employed we give a ~> brief summary of these methods. ~> ~> The so-called "water treatment" was commonly applied. The victim was bound ~> or otherwise secured in a prone position; and water was forced through his ~> mouth and nostrils into his lungs and stomach until he lost consciousness. ~> Pressure was then applied, sometimes by jumping upon his abdomen to force ~> the water out. The usual practice was to revive the victim and successively ~> repeat the process. There was evidence that this torture was used in the ~> following places: China, at Shanghai, Peiping and Nanking; French ~> Indo-China, at Hanoi and Saigon; Malaya, at Singapore; Burma, at Kyaikto; ~> Thailand, at Chumporn; Andaman Islands, at Port Blair; Borneo, at ~> Jesselton; Sumatra, at Medan, Tadjong Karang and Palembank; Java, at ~> Batavia, Bandung, Soerabaja and Buitennzong; Celebes, at Makassar; ~> Portuguese Timor, at Ossu and Dilli; Philippines, at Manila, Nichols Field, ~> Palo Beach and Dumaguete; Formosa, at Camp Haito; and in Japan, at Tokyo." ~> ~> THAT is the practice that YOU claim is identical to what was done by the US ~> to three terrorists six years ago. "During WW2 both forms were used by the ~> Japanese, and Japanese military personell, and some civilians, were ~> prosecuted for using the same method the US interrogators." And for all of ~> your blithering and diversions, you cannot show that it is even close to ~> being "the same." You cannot do it. You cannot even try to do it. But you also cannot admit that you were wrong. --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5a* Origin: FidoTel & QWK on the Web! www.fidotel.com (1:124/311) SEEN-BY: 10/1 3 11/331 34/999 120/228 123/500 128/2 187 140/1 226/0 249/303 SEEN-BY: 250/306 261/20 38 100 1381 1404 1406 1418 266/1413 280/1027 320/119 SEEN-BY: 396/45 633/260 267 285 712/848 800/432 801/161 189 2222/700 2320/100 SEEN-BY: 2320/105 5030/1256 @PATH: 124/311 140/1 261/38 633/260 267 |
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