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echo: pol_inc
to: Bob Klahn
from: Earl Croasmun
date: 2009-06-17 22:04:44
subject: RE: Re-examining Torture

~> ~>  EC> "The water torture was first.  The men were tied and
~> ~>  EC> stretched flat on their backs on the floor with guards
~> ~>  EC> holding their legs.  Water was forced into their mouths and
~> ~>  EC> noses until they passed out; it was not unlike drowning.
~> ~>  EC> The Japanese would force the water out, usually by jumping
~> ~>  EC> on their stomachs.  When they revived, brought back from
~> ~>  EC> the point of death, they were stretched out again and the
~> ~>  EC> process was repeated.  The Kempei Tai knew exactly how far
~> ~>  EC> to go before reviving them."
~> 
~> Yep, that was what was done to Neilsen, and worse.
~> 
~> But you forgot the rest of it:
~> 
~> It was established, for example, in the judgment of the International
~> Military Tribunal - Far East, in Chapter 8, p. 1059: "To indicate the
~> prevalence of torture and the uniformity of the methods employed we give a
~> brief summary of these methods.
~> 
~> The so-called "water treatment" was commonly applied. The
victim was bound
~> or otherwise secured in a prone position; and water was forced through his
~> mouth and nostrils into his lungs and stomach until he lost consciousness.
~> Pressure was then applied, sometimes by jumping upon his abdomen to force
~> the water out. The usual practice was to revive the victim and successively
~> repeat the process. There was evidence that this torture was used in the
~> following places: China, at Shanghai, Peiping and Nanking; French
~> Indo-China, at Hanoi and Saigon; Malaya, at Singapore; Burma, at Kyaikto;
~> Thailand, at Chumporn; Andaman Islands, at Port Blair; Borneo, at
~> Jesselton; Sumatra, at Medan, Tadjong Karang and Palembank; Java, at
~> Batavia, Bandung, Soerabaja and Buitennzong; Celebes, at Makassar;
~> Portuguese Timor, at Ossu and Dilli; Philippines, at Manila, Nichols Field,
~> Palo Beach and Dumaguete; Formosa, at Camp Haito; and in Japan, at Tokyo."
~> 
~> THAT is the practice that YOU claim is identical to what was done by the US
~> to three terrorists six years ago.  "During WW2 both forms were
used by the
~> Japanese, and Japanese military personell, and some civilians, were
~> prosecuted for using the same method the US interrogators."  And
for all of
~> your blithering and diversions, you cannot show that it is even close to
~> being "the same."

You cannot do it.  You cannot even try to do it.  But you also cannot admit
that you were wrong.
 
  
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