~> ~>> ~>>  I notice you have abandoned
~> ~>> ~>>  your claim that the japanese pumped people full
of water as
~> ~>> ~>>  their method of waterboarding, which was the issue.
... 

~>  EC> Yes, you claimed that it was "abandoned" and you claimed
~>  EC> that it was I who abandoned it.  The historical evidence on
~>  EC> the nature of the Japanese "water cure" was clear, and you
~>  EC> once again ignored it.
 
~>  It had appeared you had abandoned your assertion that there was
~>  only one or two water cures that were nothing like the US
~>  method.

You are babbling incoherently again.  The water cure was not just used on
one or two.

It was established, for example, in the judgment of the International
Military Tribunal - Far East, in Chapter 8, p. 1059: "To indicate the
prevalence of torture and the uniformity of the methods employed we give a
brief summary of these methods.

The so-called "water treatment" was commonly applied. The victim was bound
or otherwise secured in a prone position; and water was forced through his
mouth and nostrils into his lungs and stomach until he lost consciousness.
Pressure was then applied, sometimes by jumping upon his abdomen to force
the water out. The usual practice was to revive the victim and successively
repeat the process. There was evidence that this torture was used in the
following places: China, at Shanghai, Peiping and Nanking; French
Indo-China, at Hanoi and Saigon; Malaya, at Singapore; Burma, at Kyaikto;
Thailand, at Chumporn; Andaman Islands, at Port Blair; Borneo, at
Jesselton; Sumatra, at Medan, Tadjong Karang and Palembank; Java, at
Batavia, Bandung, Soerabaja and Buitennzong; Celebes, at Makassar;
Portuguese Timor, at Ossu and Dilli; Philippines, at Manila, Nichols Field,
Palo Beach and Dumaguete; Formosa, at Camp Haito; and in Japan, at Tokyo."

THAT is the practice that YOU claim is identical to what was done by the US
to three terrorists six years ago.  "During WW2 both forms were used by the
Japanese, and Japanese military personell, and some civilians, were
prosecuted for using the same method the US interrogators."  And for all of
your blithering and diversions, you cannot show that it is even close to
being "the same."
 
And it was also used on Chase Nielsen.  You brought up the example but you
were ignorant on what was actually done to him.  Wallach selectively quoted
Nielsen but a more complete description was given in the book _The Doolittle
Raid_, by Schultz, p. 233, concerning the interrogation of Nielsen, Meder,
and Hallmark:
 
"The water torture was first.  The men were tied and
stretched flat on their backs on the floor with guards
holding their legs.  Water was forced into their mouths and
noses until they passed out; it was not unlike drowning.
The Japanese would force the water out, usually by jumping
on their stomachs.  When they revived, brought back from
the point of death, they were stretched out again and the
process was repeated.  The Kempei Tai knew exactly how far
to go before reviving them."

You claimed that the same thing is done by US interrogators, but at this
point no sane person would believe you.  And you claimed that Japanese were
convicted of war crimes for doing THE SAME THING that US interrogators do,
which is even more farfetched.  This is the point where you make stuff up,
play word games, or try to cover your humiliation with counter-accusations.
 Regular as clockwork.
 
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