You are truly getting pitiful on this.

~>> ~>> ~>>  I notice you have abandoned
~>> ~>> ~>>  your claim that the japanese pumped people
full of water as
~>> ~>> ~>>  their method of waterboarding, which was the issue.
 EC> ...

~>>  EC> Yes, you claimed that it was "abandoned" and you claimed
~>>  EC> that it was I who abandoned it.  The historical evidence on
~>>  EC> the nature of the Japanese "water cure" was
clear, and you
~>>  EC> once again ignored it.

~>>  It had appeared you had abandoned your assertion that there was
~>>  only one or two water cures that were nothing like the US
~>>  method.

 EC> You are babbling incoherently again.  The water cure was
 EC> not just used on one or two.

 Your dislexia is showing again. That is not what I said.

 ...

 EC> The so-called "water treatment" was commonly applied. The
 EC> victim was bound or otherwise secured in a prone position;
 EC> and water was forced through his mouth and nostrils into
 EC> his lungs and stomach until he lost consciousness. Pressure
 EC> was then applied, sometimes by jumping upon his abdomen to
 EC> force the water out. The usual practice was to revive the
 EC> victim and successively repeat the process. There was

 ...

 EC> THAT is the practice that YOU claim is identical to what
 EC> was done by the US to three terrorists six years ago.

 No, it is not.

 From lawofwar.org/protected persons.htm
 **************************************************************************
 Consider then, this testimony about his treatment in Tokyo,by
 CPT Chase Nielsen a member of the aircrew of one of the bombers
 on the Doolittle Raid against Japan in April, 1942. Captain
 Nielsen was captured by the Japanese in China and returned to
 Japan for interrogation.

 Q: What other physical treatment was administered to you at
 that time?

 A: Well, I was given what they call the water cure.

 Q: Explain to the Commission what that was.

 A: Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs
 stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was
 wrapped around my face and put across my face and water was
 poured on. They poured water on this towel until I was almost
 unconscious from strangulation, then they would let me up until
 I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again.

 Q: When you regained consciousness would they keep asking you
 questions?

 A: Yes sir they did.

 Q: How long did this treatment continue?

 A: About twenty minutes.

 Q: What was your sensation when they were pouring water on the
 towel, what did you physically feel?

 A: Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning, just gasping
 between life and death.

 /United States v. Sawada/ et a., Trial Record, Volume I,
 p.55.18 March, 1946.
 **************************************************************************

 EC> "During WW2 both forms were used by the Japanese, and
 EC> Japanese military personell, and some civilians, were
 EC> prosecuted for using the same method the US interrogators."

 You just said the same thing I said, didn't you?

 EC>  And for all of your blithering and diversions, you cannot
 EC>  show that it is even close to being "the same."

 From lawofwar.org/protected persons.htm
 **************************************************************************

 A: Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs
 stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was
 wrapped around my face and put across my face and water was
 poured on. They poured water on this towel until I was almost
 unconscious from strangulation, then they would let me up until
 I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again.

 Q: When you regained consciousness would they keep asking you
 questions?

 A: Yes sir they did.

 Q: How long did this treatment continue?

 A: About twenty minutes.

 /United States v. Sawada/ et a., Trial Record, Volume I,
 p.55.18 March, 1946.
 **************************************************************************

 EC> And it was also used on Chase Nielsen.  You brought up the
 EC> example but you were ignorant on what was actually done to

 From lawofwar.org/protected persons.htm
 **************************************************************************
 Consider then, this testimony about his treatment in Tokyo,by
 CPT Chase Nielsen a member of the aircrew of one of the bombers
 on the Doolittle Raid against Japan in April, 1942. Captain
 Nielsen was captured by the Japanese in China and returned to
 Japan for interrogation.

 Q: What other physical treatment was administered to you at
 that time?

 A: Well, I was given what they call the water cure.

 Q: Explain to the Commission what that was.

 A: Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs
 stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was
 wrapped around my face and put across my face and water was
 poured on. They poured water on this towel until I was almost
 unconscious from strangulation, then they would let me up until
 I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again.

 Q: When you regained consciousness would they keep asking you
 questions?

 A: Yes sir they did.

 Q: How long did this treatment continue?

 A: About twenty minutes.

 Q: What was your sensation when they were pouring water on the
 towel, what did you physically feel?

 A: Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning, just gasping
 between life and death.

 /United States v. Sawada/ et a., Trial Record, Volume I,
 p.55.18 March, 1946.
 **************************************************************************

 ...

 EC> You claimed that the same thing is done by US
 EC> interrogators, but at this point no sane person would
 EC> believe you.  And you claimed that Japanese were convicted
 EC> of war crimes for doing THE SAME THING that US

 Now you are confusing me with someone else. I said some were
 prosecuted, someone else said they were executed.

 EC> interrogators do, which is even more farfetched.  This is
 EC> the point where you make stuff up, play word games, or try
 EC> to cover your humiliation with counter-accusations. Regular
 EC> as clockwork.

 No, I just present a sourced reference, while you sink deeper
 and deeper into pitiable status.

 From lawofwar.org/protected persons.htm
 **************************************************************************
 Consider then, this testimony about his treatment in Tokyo,by
 CPT Chase Nielsen a member of the aircrew of one of the bombers
 on the Doolittle Raid against Japan in April, 1942. Captain
 Nielsen was captured by the Japanese in China and returned to
 Japan for interrogation.

 Q: What other physical treatment was administered to you at
 that time?

 A: Well, I was given what they call the water cure.

 Q: Explain to the Commission what that was.

 A: Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs
 stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was
 wrapped around my face and put across my face and water was
 poured on. They poured water on this towel until I was almost
 unconscious from strangulation, then they would let me up until
 I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again.

 Q: When you regained consciousness would they keep asking you
 questions?

 A: Yes sir they did.

 Q: How long did this treatment continue?

 A: About twenty minutes.

 Q: What was your sensation when they were pouring water on the
 towel, what did you physically feel?

 A: Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning, just gasping
 between life and death.

 /United States v. Sawada/ et a., Trial Record, Volume I,
 p.55.18 March, 1946.
 **************************************************************************

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn{at}sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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