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~> EC> The historical evidence on ~> EC> the nature of the Japanese "water cure" was clear, and you ~> EC> once again ignored it. ~> I thought you had paid attention to the article I posted, with ~> link. I paid it more attention than it deserved. I read it. I noted that Wallach had pulled a very short and incomplete description from Nielsen's two days of testimony. I realized that the incomplete description might mislead one like you who does not check facts. I then made the description of his treatment more complete by citing the judgment of the International Military Tribunal - Far East, in Chapter 8, p. 1059: "To indicate the prevalence of torture and the uniformity of the methods employed we give a brief summary of these methods. The so-called "water treatment" was commonly applied. The victim was bound or otherwise secured in a prone position; and water was forced through his mouth and nostrils into his lungs and stomach until he lost consciousness. Pressure was then applied, sometimes by jumping upon his abdomen to force the water out. The usual practice was to revive the victim and successively repeat the process. There was evidence that this torture was used in the following places: China, at Shanghai, Peiping and Nanking; French Indo-China, at Hanoi and Saigon; Malaya, at Singapore; Burma, at Kyaikto; Thailand, at Chumporn; Andaman Islands, at Port Blair; Borneo, at Jesselton; Sumatra, at Medan, Tadjong Karang and Palembank; Java, at Batavia, Bandung, Soerabaja and Buitennzong; Celebes, at Makassar; Portuguese Timor, at Ossu and Dilli; Philippines, at Manila, Nichols Field, Palo Beach and Dumaguete; Formosa, at Camp Haito; and in Japan, at Tokyo." And I went further by trying in vain to direct your attention to the more complete description of the water cure that was used on Neilsen and his two surviving crew members. You brought up the example but you were ignorant on what was actually done to him. Wallach selectively quoted Nielsen but a more complete description was given in the book _The Doolittle Raid_, by Schultz, p. 233, concerning the interrogation of Nielsen, Meder, and Hallmark: "The water torture was first. The men were tied and stretched flat on their backs on the floor with guards holding their legs. Water was forced into their mouths and noses until they passed out; it was not unlike drowning. The Japanese would force the water out, usually by jumping on their stomachs. When they revived, brought back from the point of death, they were stretched out again and the process was repeated. The Kempei Tai knew exactly how far to go before reviving them." In short, you were wrong again. --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5a* Origin: FidoTel & QWK on the Web! www.fidotel.com (1:124/311) SEEN-BY: 10/1 3 11/331 34/999 120/228 123/500 128/2 187 140/1 226/0 249/303 SEEN-BY: 250/306 261/20 38 100 1381 1404 1406 1418 266/1413 280/1027 320/119 SEEN-BY: 396/45 633/260 267 285 712/848 800/432 801/161 189 2222/700 2320/100 SEEN-BY: 2320/105 5030/1256 @PATH: 124/311 140/1 261/38 633/260 267 |
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