From: Adam <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near
the bridge">

George Sherwood wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:40:00 +0000, Adam wrote:
>
>
>>George...do you not seriously entertain the possibility that they might
>>have rape rooms right now, while US troops are pounding the streets
>>outside & possibly (if unwittingly) "providing security"?
>
>
> Adam...do you not seriously see the difference between a this as a policy
> of the government and this happening the back rooms?  Do you think that
> the Iraqi leadership approves of these activities?  If so show me some
> proof.
>
> George


Do you think the current interior ministry is then simply "out of control"?

There have been many examples wrt the interior ministry. They are a
ministry of government & they've been busted time and agian (mostly by
accident)

""The vast majority of human rights abuses reportedly carried out
by government agents were attributed to the police," the department
said, referring to Iraq."

That's your state dept but hey maybe they do it just for a laugh.

&


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/11/AR2005121101002
.html

"BAGHDAD, Dec. 11 -- An Iraqi government search of a detention center
in Baghdad operated by Interior Ministry special commandos found 13
prisoners who had suffered abuse serious enough to require medical
treatment, U.S. and Iraqi officials said Sunday night.

An Iraqi official with firsthand knowledge of the search said that at least
12 of the 13 prisoners had been subjected to "severe torture,"
including sessions of electric shock and episodes that left them with
broken bones.

"Two of them showed me their nails, and they were gone," the
official said on condition of anonymity because of security concerns.

A government spokesman, Laith Kubba, said Sunday night that any findings at
the prison would be "subject to an investigation," but he
declined to comment on the allegations.

The site, which was searched Thursday, is the second Interior Ministry
detention center where cases of prisoner abuse have been confirmed by U.S.
and Iraqi officials.

U.S. troops found the first site last month when they entered an Interior
Ministry building in central Baghdad to look for a Sunni Arab teenager they
believed had been detained, officers said at the time. Several prisoners at
that site appeared to have suffered beatings, and many were emaciated, U.S.
and Iraqi officials and witnesses said

The abuse alleged at the prison found this week appeared to have been more
severe. Asked specifically what types of torture were found in the
commandos' prison, the official cited breaking of bones, torture with
electric shock, extraction of fingernails and cigarette burns to the neck
and back."

"Investigators said they found 625 prisoners at the center but
declined to give details about them. Most of the detainees found at the
secret prison last month were Sunni Arabs who had been picked up by forces
of the Shiite Muslim-dominated Interior Ministry."

So found by accident & operated by the interior ministry.

Naturally the pols were shocked when the US troops happened to stumble
across it. Shocked that it existed or shocked that it was found is an open
question but consider that the numbers found (625) give one an idea as to
how much of a policy thing it was. nutty cops with guns don't run secret
prisons holding those sorts of numbers of people.

Adam

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