From: "Phil Payne" 

> > Not proven.  How many times does it have to be said?  No WMD.  No
> > terrorists.  No rape rooms.
>
> A & B OK but C is endemic.

?

> If all you've known is torture & death squads wrt "law &
order" then in
> a chaotic lawless world they start to look good again.

Again - remember what happened when some of the South American regimes
collapsed?  Wall after wall plastered with pictures and appeals for
information about missed loved ones. People who'd been turtured coming out
of the woodwork showing off their injuries.

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