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>My second objection is to it appearing in the Federation Charter. That=20
would be like the US Constitution outlining the CIA, or more accurately=20
the black opps department of the CIA. The Constitution doesn't even=20
appropriate the existence of the Army and the Navy. I would think that=20
any such black opps organization would come much later, and see no=20
mention in the founding Charter.
I don't see this as being a problem. The Federation Charter could be a som= ewhat
technical document unlike say the American constitution, which, in my mind = anyway
was meant to show the English how government should be done. Has anybody,
fandom or otherwise, produced the Federation Charter? I could imagine
that=
the
preamble would contain all the lofty language on ideals and aims for the
Fe= deration,
and the sections that follow would outline all the systems and procedures p= ut into
place to allow the Federation to function. The creators of this document
m= ight have
written it anticipating future needs, and might also have written it so
tha= t prospective
new members might see what is involved with membership.'
As for Section 31, I can see that the organization outlined by this section=
might have
been created to counter the fact that other political entities outside of
t= he Federation
might have used "black ops" missions against the Federation and
Section 31 = was there
to counter that, hence the development of Section 31 as a
counterintelligen= ce agency.
I'm pretty sure that the creators of the Federation Charter, when including=
section 31,
was not expecting it to be used the way it was in "Deep Space Nine."
How high up? AISI you don't get higher than the Federation Council.=20
That's how it works. Again I keep in mind that the Federation is not a=20
government. It is a meta government. A government FOR governments. It=20
is closer to the UN than any legislative body of a sovereign state.=20
Firmer than the UN, not as firm as the US Congress as an example.
>I use the Federation the same way. It's a federation of planets, as the n=
ame states, and
the Federation itself is designed to present a collective front to the rest=
of the galaxy while
making relations between the member worlds smooth. The individual planets,=
or races of
beings, have a great deal of autonomy in matters governing the planet
itsel= f, while the
Federation deals with relationships between the planets and with outside
fo= rces. I even
extend this to the Federation Starfleet. The ships we see are
predominantl= y the ships of
Earth. "Enterprise" has shown us quite different Vulcan ships
(and Andoria= n ships too),
and I see no reason why similar ships, with improvements in technology,
mig= ht not still
be used by Vulcan in the twenty-fourth century. The ships from Earth, when=
away from
Earth, operate under the authority of the Federation Council and Starfleet,=
but for the most
part, Earth designs, builds and mans these ships. Vulcan, Andor and other
= planets do
likewise, although there are certainly officer exchanges between the variou= s ships.
>The Federation is a club you can join and you can leave. It has=20
requirements for membership. It lists rights and responsibilities of=20
members. It is a framework, agreed upon rather than imposed, for=20
differing people to learn the art of living with each other.
>Within that framework, Section 31 is a piece of too much detail for the=20
Charter. The idea, even if a good one, blows my buffer.
I can accept its presence.
Steve
The Universe Unbounded.
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>My second objection is to it appearing in the Federation
Charter.
That would be like the US Constitution outlining the CIA, or more
accurately
the black opps department of the CIA. The Constitution
doesn't even
appropriate the existence of the Army and the Navy. I would think
that
any such black opps organization would come much later, and see no
mention in the founding Charter.
I don't see this as being a
problem. The
Federation Charter could be a somewhat
technical document unlike say the American
constitution, which, in my mind anyway
was meant to show the English how government
should
be done. Has anybody,
fandom or otherwise, produced the Federation
Charter? I could imagine that the
preamble would contain all the
lofty language on
ideals and aims for the Federation,
and the sections that follow would
outline all the
systems and procedures put into
place to allow the Federation to
function.
The creators of this document might have
written it anticipating future
needs, and might
also have written it so that prospective
new members might see what is involved with
membership.'
As for Section 31, I can see that
the organization
outlined by this section might have
been created to counter the fact that other
political entities outside of the Federation
might have used "black
ops" missions against the
Federation and Section 31 was there
to counter that, hence the
development of Section
31 as a counterintelligence agency.
I'm pretty sure that the creators of the
Federation
Charter, when including section 31,
was not expecting it to be used
the way it was in
"Deep Space Nine."
How high up? AISI you don't get higher than
the Federation
Council. That's how it works. Again I keep in
mind that the Federation is not a government. It is a
meta government. A government FOR governments. It
is closer to the UN than any legislative body of a sovereign
state. Firmer than the UN, not as firm
as the US Congress as an example.
>I use the Federation the
same way. It's
a
federation of planets, as the name states, and
the Federation itself is designed
to present a
collective front to the rest of the galaxy while
making relations between the member worlds
smooth. The individual planets, or races of
beings, have a great deal of
autonomy in matters
governing the planet itself, while the
Federation deals with
relationships between
the planets and with outside forces. I even
extend this to the Federation
Starfleet. The
ships we see are predominantly the ships of
Earth.
"Enterprise" has shown us quite
different Vulcan ships (and Andorian ships too),
and I see no reason why similar ships, with
improvements in technology, might not still
be used by Vulcan in the twenty-fourth
century. The ships from Earth, when away from
Earth, operate under the authority of the
Federation Council and Starfleet, but for the most
part, Earth designs, builds and mans these
ships. Vulcan, Andor and other planets do
likewise, although there are
certainly officer
exchanges between the various ships.
>The Federation is a club you can join and you
can leave. It
has requirements for membership. It lists rights and
responsibilities of members. It is a framework, agreed
upon rather than imposed, for
differing people to learn the art of living with each
other.>Within that framework, Section 31 is a
piece of too much detail for the Charter. The idea,
even if a good one, blows my buffer.I can accept its presence.
Steve
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