03 Oct 2003, 17:59, Thom LaCosta (1:261/1352), wrote to George Vandervort:

Hi Thom.

 TL> Actually, I'd feel much better with a dull spoon followed by 
 TL> bolt-cutters applied in the right place.

For the bolt cutters, substitute a pair of those "Vise-Grip"
clamps, the ones with the big flat plates.  Be sure to break the release
mechanism first!

"Vise-Grips" would probably be considered 'non-lethal', just in
case you left a fingerprint or two... 


     Good luck...  M.

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