From: duke 

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:34:46 -0500, Bible Bob  wrote:

>>Only if baptized or confirmed.

>A "Christian" by definition is a disciple of Christ, a child of God,
>with the spirit of God in him or her.

A disciple by definition is a student.  The bible relates 2 circumstances re the
descent of the Holy Spirit - in baptism (see Jesus in the Jordan) and at
Pentecost, another baptism acknowledgment in Acts 2:38.

>  All Christians do have spirit
>that is holy.  Spirit is the confirmation.  All Christians have been
>baptized in spirit.  If you are referring to "church goers" or people
>who "believe in God" who are not saved, then that would be another
>matter.  But he spoke of "Christians".

As far as saved in concerned, let's leave that decision to God.   Now if your
"saved" is a mere acknowledgement of those that accept Christ as
savior, then I agree.  They are truly saved, however, when they are buried
with Christ to sin in the hope of rising with him to eternal love of the
Father, called Baptism.

>>Only if one wants to go to heaven.
>People don't go to heaven.  New Jerusalem (paradise) will be on the
>earth.

Will be a pretty crowded place.

>>>"By the same charity that it enkindles in us, the
Eucharist preserves us
>>>from future mortal sins." (Pg. 390, #1395)
>>>But the Bible does not teach this. Can you explain? The Bible teaches
>>>that Jesus cleanses the believer from their sins.
>>And the Eucharist is the Body of Christ.

>Eucharist is from a Greek word that means thanksgiving.  The body of
>Christ ascended to the right hand of he throne of God and is not on
>the earth.  That body had no blood in it becaue it had all been shed
>which is why Jesus spoke of his resurrected body as flesh and bones.
>The body of Christ on the earth is made up of people who are children
>of God.

In Baptism.

>  Bread and wine are are representations of the body and blood
>of Christ; not the body of Christ.

Sorry, but Jesus said other wise at the last supper.

You protest_ants have an extraordinarily shallow view of Christ.

>>The bible teaches that one must be perfect(ed) to stand before God.
>>Other than that, you're confusing physically dead vs spiritually dead.

>The final judgement is in for all children of God.

That's because the mortal sinners have all departed to satan at the initial judgment.

>>>3. Baptism
>>>The Catechism reads
>>>"The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for
salvation." (Pg.
>>>352, #1257)

>>>"The Church does not know of any other means other than Baptism that
>>>assures entry into eternal beatitude..." (Pg. 352, #1257)
>>>
>>>"The faithful are born anew by Baptism.."(Pg. 341, #1212).
>>
>>John 3:5-6.

>John 3:5 and 6 speak of a future time from the day John 3 was spoken
>when people could and would be born again.

Ah, you protest_ers, always looking for a wordsy way out.  But God isn't amused.

duke, American-American
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