From: "Gary Wiltshire" 

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:28:42 -0400, Adam  wrote:

> Gary Wiltshire wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 06:16:34 -0400, Adam 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gary Wiltshire wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:17:01 -0500, Adam field.near the
bridge">
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Robert Comer wrote:
>>>>>>> The constitution only counted if you were
white. No change there
>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not what it's supposed to be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> CHuckle. Yeah & it was written by those enjoying
the fruits of
>>>>> slavery,
>>>>> men are equal....liberty....etc....but obviously not
the slaves....
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>  Slaves were not considered to be human beings at the time, terrible
>>>> from our viewpoint certainly, but one share by your own country
>>>> during its own history.
>>>>  --Gary Wiltshire
>>>
>>> We made no such silly official statements wrt liberty &
the pursuit of
>>> happiness & all men being equal etc.
>>  Do you know just what volumes about your own mentality regarding
>> humanity you just uttered.
>
> Nope it's a statement of reality. Get born to rich powerful parents
> somewhere rich & powerful & you're not the same as someone
born poor &
> powerless somewhere poor & powerless. For one thing your life expectancy
> is radically different.
>
> Huge numbers of african kids die before their 5th birthday. Is this
> equality?
>
> The founding fathers themselves did not believe it as (b) they really
> meant men & not women & (b) white men & (c) white men with property.

No shit sherlock, I just finished saying that.  I'm also saying the
attitude about who was human certainly extended to your damp island as
well.  Where do you think we GOT the notion, since you like to pretend that
we are merely wayward Englishmen.
>
>>>
>>> If you were a black briton of the period (& there were more than you
>>> might imagine) then you were by definition not a slave.
>>  If you were a black northerner of the period then you were by
>> definition not a slave either.  Don't try and pretend that black briton
>> was a fully accepted member of white British society, either -- and not
>> so long ago it was YOUR society that invented the phrase
"Pakibashing."
>>>
>
> Bollox. In that period people in the north kept slaves. It was only
> later that the northerners started to get a bit shirty about it. Heck
> your Fugitive Slave Law made it such that slaves only became free when
> they' actually made it into Canada.

Bollox, yourself.  There were indeed free blacks in the north from the beginning.
>
>
>>> Remember Rule Britannia came out in 1740 & contains the line:
>>>
>>> "Britons never, never, never shall be slaves"
>>  There is YOU giving the lie to the above claim "we made no such
>> silly.."
>
> We were not going to be slaves. Doesn't mean that all men are equal &
> everyone has some putative right to liberty, the pursuit of happpiness &
> the rest of the bollox.
>
> Adam

Who is "we?" -- not the Africans and the Indians (of India), certainly.

--
Gary Wiltshire

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