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to: Rich Gauszka
from: Gary Wiltshire
date: 2006-04-05 05:09:44
subject: Re: `If you believe that these are full and fair trials, you believe th

From: "Gary Wiltshire" 

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:54:50 -0500, Rich Gauszka  wrote:

>
> "George Sherwood"  wrote in message
> news:pan.2006.03.30.23.36.01.729291{at}beernabeer.com...
>> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:32:06 +0200, Phil Payne wrote:
>>
>>>> > How many reports of car bombs causing major civilian
casualties did
>>>> > you
>>> hear
>>>> > of while Saddam was in power?
>>>>
>>>> Of course not, they were just murdered by Saddam.  But
then again you
>>>> don't believe that happened.
>>>
>>> No, I don't.  There's an amazing lack of embittered relatives.  Think
>>> back
>>> to the walls of pictures of missing loved ones in Argentina, Chile and
>>> after
>>> the tsunami.
>>>
>>> Seen such a wall in Baghdad?
>>
>> I have seen this reasoning from you before.  IMO, it doesn't hold water.
>> The situations are completely different.  These people in Iraq didn't
>> disappear like in South America or like in a tsunami.  They were taken
>> away by Saddam and the people know what happen to them.  I have seen
>> grieving relatives going through mass graves and trying to what remains
>> of
>> their loved ones.  This is documented, you just choose to ignore it.
>>
>> George
>
> Even Amnesty International ( No lover of the Bush Administration )
> acknowledges mass graves and missing loved ones in Iraq.  Here's a UK
> link
> for Phil
>
> http://www.amnesty.org.uk/action/iraq/massgraves.shtml
>
> Over the past 20 years, Amnesty International has collected information
> on
> around 17,000 cases of 'disappearances' - but the actual figure may be
> much
> higher.
>
>

I posted a pageful of such links ages ago which Phil promised to review.
Either he didn't or was dismayed to find his prejudices contradicted. Mark
reposted them not long ago.

--
Gary Wiltshire

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