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echo: crossfire
to: Bob Klahn
from: Earl Croasmun
date: 2008-05-11 09:00:00
subject: COFFEE_KLATSCH

EC>> She did not want you to be moderator at that time,
 EC>> and she blamed you for the whole mess!

-> ->> And that is a lie on your part.

 EC> That is what you always fall back on, even though her
 EC> comments to you AT THAT TIME clearly expressed her opinion
 EC> of you.  I quoted some of them for you, but you are so
 EC> eager to get your favorite word in (even though the use of
 EC> it is driving Wilson away) that you didn't even notice.

-> I saw it

Then you know that what I said was true, and you know that what you said
was a lie.  You tried to disguise your lie by posting a comment she made
SIX MONTHS EARLIER.

 EC> Six months EARLIER she had said that she was a worse choice
 EC> than you. although she did not say she believed that ANY
 EC> moderator was needed and she did not say that she wanted
 EC> YOU as moderator.

-> So she was uncertain, but she was certain that I was the better
-> choice.

Lofaso suggested her (not you, as you claimed), you followed him, and
she said no.  She added that IF there was a threat (later she realized
there wasn't) and IF a moderator were needed at all (another "if" that
she did not express agreement with), she would RATHER it be you THAN
HER.  At first you might have simply been confused or suffering from a
failing memory, but now that you have re-read the old messages you KNOW
that what you said was false, and yet you still hold to it.

Her words to you again: "This echo was very pleasant until YOU arrived
and have been attempting to kill the quiet peaceful ambience ever since!
And then you have audacity to blame others. No. YOU and you alone are to
blame for all this moderator mess. YOU started it. Period."


"Ever since that time you have contributed nothing but attempts
(intended or not) to create that very climate that DOES
require a moderator.

Nearly all your posts are nothing but flame bait. Fortunately they've
been ignored.

If it hadn't been for you we would not be in this current fix.

If you want to debate so badly why don't you take courses in debate
and learn how to do it without flame baiting instead? That way you'd
be able to moderate your debate echo so much better and leave THIS
echo which is NOT a debate echo, alone!

Before you go taking any debate courses though, I suggest you alter your
attitude toward the people you have so obviously deomonized. The
"Nasties" ....You give them far too much credit and for that you get
laughed at by all."

"I have been advised by two echo members who knows you far better than I
do, to stop trying to get through to you. Until you alter your attitude,
reasoning with you is an exercise in futility."

True then, and truer today.  Reasoning with you is futile, and you get
laughed at by all.  Except Wilson.

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