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from: `avenger` me{at}avengers.Co
date: 2005-03-20 05:00:00
subject: Re: Four Witnesses or Confession to Prove Rape Charge

"Hyerdahl"  wrote in message
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>
> Dustbin wrote:
> > Hyerdahl wrote:
> >
> > > Dustbin wrote:
> > >
> > >>soli13taire{at}juno.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>What is important here is really very simple:
> > >>societies have repeatedly faced this situation
> > >>and myriad different cultures have realised that
> > >>rape allegations, being so easily used for
> > >>personal vengeful purposes, have to be treated
> > >>to a very very great deal of scepticism.
> > >
> > >
> > > They are "treated" no differently than any other
allegations.  The
> > > defendant still walks into court as someone who is considered
> innocent
> > > until PROVEN guilty.  The witnesses are treated no differently than
> any
> > > other witnesses to crime.   Women are not considered less reliable
> than
> > > men.
> > >
> > typical slippery Hymendung.
> >
> > Fine in theory wtong in fact.
>
> It is correct in theory and fact.  Factually speaking, we don't hold
> female witnesses to a separate standard.
>
> >
> > To start with in most circumstances one person's
> > word against another will not get to court.
> > Rapes are frequently taken on no more than the
> > female's word.
>
> It doesn't matter, at law, how many  cases get to court as long as the
> law treats people the same in court.

It makes a big difference how many cases get to court you idiot. A defendant
is always at a disadvantage against the resources of the State. even a
wealthy defendant.


  And, in court women witnesses are
> provided the same credibility as male witnesses.

Not by the jurors. And that includes female jurors.



>
> >
> > Secondly, although this is not a matter of or
> > for the court, judgements are passed outside the
> > court which ruin his life before the verdict is
> > in.

Absolutely.
>
> .
>
>  Moreover, his life remains ruined even when
> > he gets a *not guilty* verdict or worse; when
> > she is shown to be a LIAR and he is proved (so
> > far as this can be the case) innocent.

Absolutely.
>
>
>




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