Andre Lieven wrote:
> "bluesmama" (onebluesmama{at}gmail.com) whines, once again ignorantly:
> > Andre Lieven wrote:
> >> howldog (lifeisgood{at}hotmail.com) writes:
> >> > On 16 Mar 2005 09:31:31 -0800, "bluesmama"

> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Some women might draw empowerment from those images; I
personally
> >> >>do not.
> >> >>
> >> >>> Howldog was making the point that women are
allowed to receive
> >> >>> "empowerment" from scenes in popular
mainstream entertainment
in
> >> >>which
> >> >>> women beat up men.  Can you think of an equivalent
> > male-empowering
> >> >>> entertainment phenomenon that exalts men over women?
> >> >>
> >> >>Well first off I see empowerment as a positive thing, and the
> >> >>woman-kicking-man's-ass doesn't fit my definition of
empowerment,
> > but
> >> >>that's just my opinion. If you are saying that there are no
media
> >> >>examples of men kicking women around, I'd have to disagree -
though
> >> >>lately, it's been more verbal denigration than physical
violence,
> >> >>and frankly, verbal denigration is much worse, as bruises do
heal.
> >>
> >> Then, since its clear that women nag, far, far more than men do,
> >> maybe that would be best helped if they... *stopped doing that
*...
> >
> > I don't know about anyone else's experience, but I'd have to say
you
> > nag more than most of the women I've met.
>
> Even if that were true, does that change my point, about the *wider
> population* ? No.
>
> Oh, thanks for showing that ad hominum is truely the last refuge of
> the fact starved Festering Femmeroid.
>
> >> " Women who want more options would be well advised to try being
> >> the strong, *silent* type. " Fran Liebowitz.
> >
> > I don't see silence as working very well for men when it comes to
> > getting more options.
>
> As the quote *isn't* about men, your point... is Ad Hom #2.
>
> >> > BZZZZT
> >> >
> >> > perhaps in your own personal experience.
> >>
> >> Well, Feminists ain't that bright, which is why they simply cannot
> >> wrap their one neuron around:
> >>
> >> " The plural of 'anecdote' is NOT 'citation. ".
> >
> > And men like you are more gullible than most, which is why they
simply
> > choose not to wrap their many neurons around:
> >
> > "Just because it's in print, doesn't mean it's the truth."
>
> LOL ! Well, it surely beat gossip.
>
> But, if you want to claim that a specific item " in print " is
untrue,
> go right ahead.
>
> Just rememeber that that places the *burden of proof*... on YOU.
>
> >> > what you apparently fail to grasp is, certainly in the media,
male
> >> > against female violence is presented as the HORROR OF REALITY
and
> > "the
> >> > evil men do", not as entertainment, and nobody with
half a brain
> > would
> >> > interpret this as "fodder for empowerment".
Female violence
against
> >> > male, is often entertainment, and fully presented as
"empowerment".
> >> >
> >> > you didnt answer his question.
> >>
> >> Indeed, since an accurate and honest answer to that question would
> >> clearly show that such " empowerment " is meant for
women, only.
> >
> > Your inference, perhaps a projection on your part,
>
> No proof offered ? Claim fails.
>
> > it's quite impossible to tell with you.
>
> Ad Hom #3...
>
> > I've come to believe you are having all
> > posts translated into gibberish before you post them.
>
> Ad Hom #4...
>
> > Or you're
> > actually some kind of program with a few stock phrases, endlessly
> > recycled and recombined.
>
> Ad Hom #5...
>
> Oh, and as you were... UNABLE to debate/refute anything that I
stated,
> my points... stand. Excellent. 
>
> >> Just like all " rights ", when it comes to Feminists and
Feminism...
> >>
> >> > Personally, no, i cannot think of any examples in the media,
where
> >> > men are portrayed as victorious over women, in a positive way.
> >>
> >> Never mind even in such cases. Consider what Kinsella had his
> >> fictional verion of J. D. Salinger ( The writer who, in the film,
> >> is a made up character, and is played by James Earl Jones. ).
> >>
> >> " Its a sad time when the world won't listen to stories of good
> >> men. Its one of the reasons I don't publish anymore. " Page 133,
> >> " Shoeless Joe ".
> >
> > The fact that you're talking about a writer you most likely don't
know,
>
> No proof offered ? Claim fails.
>
> Oh, feel free to PROVE that your claim bears ANY relevence to the
> issue at hand. No proof offered ? Claim... fails.
>
> > who is talking about a fictional character who is relating an
anecdote
> > about a fictional character -- this confuses me, what with that
whole
> > "anecdote/citation/proof" fascination of yours.
>
> I do understand that " it confuses " you. Thats the usual state of
> the deliberately ignorant Feminist. Were one not so addled by self
> inflicted Feminist brain rot, one would see that many fine writers
> have their characters speak excellent life truths.
>
> > Unless you were inspired by Mark's All in the Family post, engulfed
it,
> > like some amoeba and processed it in your quintessentially Andrean
way,
> > before spitting it out for our entertainment.
>
> Ad hom #6... Oh, and as, once again, you find yourself UNABLE to
> debate/refute anything that I stated, once again, my points...
> stand.
>
> > Or bewilderment. Again, I'm becoming convinced you're a bot.
>
> Ad Hom #7... Oh, and: No proof offered ? Claim... fails. Again.
>
> But, please do keep going. Posting *unsupported cowshit* to Usenet
> is a useful manner by which to prevent you from committing any
> greater harms.
>
> > I'd stamp my widdle feetsies, but
> > you'd start up that strident giggling again, and I'm not in a
slumber
> > party kind of mood.
>
> Well, take your meds, then, and get there.
>
> >> > Hollywood is a continuing double-standard. Pretty much par for
the
> >> > course for the left-wing hell it has become.
> >>
> >> Well, its not all about wings. Consider that Hollyweird wants to
> >> make oodles of money. Just like, say, TV. So, both skew their fare
> >> towards their view of who spends most of the money: women.
> >>
> >> Its not politics, its just... business.
> >>
> >> Andre
> >>
> >> --
> >> " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I
guess. "
> >>                                     The Man Prayer, Red Green.
> >
> > Please don't. You're so much more educational - and entertaining -
just
> > the way you are.
>
> 
>
> Baby Feminists is SO stupid.
>
> Andre
>
>
> --
> " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
>                                     The Man Prayer, Red Green.

"You talk too much, you worry me to death/You talk too much, you even
scare my pets/You just talk, talk, talk/You talk too much.."

Good song. Running through my head for some reason.



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