In article ,
 Dustbin  wrote:

> Mark Sobolewski wrote:
>
> > In article ,
> >  Dustbin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Moreover, I have also maintained that the entire
> >>capitalist establishment has to LIE to men from
> >>start to finish because if men were told the
> >>truth they would simply not do this crazy thing.
> >
> >
> > Hello Dustbin,
> >
> > I find your marxist tone rather amusing considering
> > that the family court system has more in common
> > with the Soviet system of family law than a system
> > based upon individual freedom and justice.
>
> Marx's crtitque is still valid inspite of the
> errors of command economy.
>
> Capitalism is stil abusive, exploitative, etc.,
> etc. If the working class were so abusive and
> generally anti-social there would be (are) laws
> against it.
>
> Also, capitalism is fundermentally as flawed as
> command economics. It is simply less obvious in
> the case of capitalism. That capitalism must
> come to an end is a mathematical certainty.
>
> Also, capitalism is wrecking the planet. What
> about your children's children's children?

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In Europe and even the States, population would largely
shrink AND living standards rise and the environment
benefit if it wasn't for socialist support
for illegal immigration and feminism.  Illegal
immigration creates stress on the society helping
to create problems with housing, transportion, etc.
as well as feminism having career women use
all kinds of instant products to help them
save time which they would have done at home.

Which is it:  Is capitalism bad because it gives
people choices and resources to live well helping
to trash the environment OR is it bad because
it impovershes people in third world countries?

> I am a socialist and support a demand economy.

Yeah, the rest belt of the US and California have
tons of demands and their economies are going into
the toilet.  Fast.

> Finally, I might point out that a great deal of
> the western belief system about the communists
> is the pumped up propaganda of western
> governments.

These are the same governments which often comprise
50% of the labor force in socialist programs.

Question: If socialism is so great, why is it always
necessary to raise taxes?  One thing you can say
about capitalism: They sure do lower the cost of
all those cars to trash the world, eh?  If socialists
ran things (as they did in Eastern Europe), people
would live in poverty AND trash the environment.
Win win!

> If the communist system was (is) so
> bad why is it that Yelsin nearly got the boot in
> favour of the commies in Russia in 1995?

Probably the same way Yanakovich nearly won
in Ukraine. :-)

> Also
> why is it that, if socialistic thinking is such
> an abomination, in the Unkriane recently the
> country split down the middle between western
> ways and Russian ways?

I have a personal involvement in this issue:

Russian immigration in the east was strong during
communist times and the native Ukrainians were
subject to a policy of "Russification".

After the Ukrainians won independance similar to
Poland during the 90's, they made their own
language the official language of the country.

Many Russian-Ukrainians support "communism" because they
want stronger ties to their ancestrial homeland.

FYI: When you get a chance, tell me what the
acronym "NAZI" stands for...

> Uncle Ras, incidentally, is imposing more and
> more State control and even State ownership on
> industry to curb the mafioso style criminality
> of rampant uncontrolled capiatlism.

Here's the thing: It's a lot easier to control capitalism,
through a system of checks and balances, than it is
to basically have the wolf watch the henhouse which
is having a single form of oversight for industry
and government.

I love to get a laugh watching marxists in the states
whine and cry about THEIR precious tax dollars
being spent on the war in Iraq.  Isn't it a shame
when someone steals from THEM?  Gosh!  It should
the government stealing from someone else to benefit 'em.

regards,
Mark Sobolewski


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