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from: Grizzlie Antagonist griz
date: 2005-03-20 21:00:00
subject: Re: Is Fundy Bush Putting Teens At Risk?

You're certainly swinging wildly like a blindfolded kid at a pinata on
this one, Puke.

In the first place, you're always boasting about how powerful and
united female voters are - so how could it be that "Fundy Bush" has
been elected to two terms in the first place?

In the second place, what does he have to do with teens lifestyle
choices?  If teens make a pledge to abstain from pre-marital sex and
then don't live up to that pledge, how is that the fault of any
politician?

If teens pledge to abstain from intercourse and then end up
experimenting with oral and anal sex, how is that anyone's fault but
the teens themselves and their peers and parents?

If you're going to blame ANY politician, why not blame Bill Clinton
who made oral sex fashionable?

In the third place, since sweathogs like you preach that ALL
heterosexual intercourse constitutes rape or domestic violence or
exploitation of women in some manner and that females should not have
intercourse with males, you're not in a position now to suggest that
the authorities shouldn't be promoting abstinence.





On 20 Mar 2005 07:22:19 -0800, "Hyerdahl"  wrote:

>
>Study: Many who pledge abstinence substitute risky behavior
>By MATT APUZZO, AP
>
>NEW HAVEN, Conn. (AP) - Teens who pledge to remain virgins until
>marriage are more likely to take chances with other kinds of sex that
>increase the risk of sexually transmitted diseases, a study of 12,000
>adolescents suggests.
>
>The report by Yale and Columbia University researchers could help
>explain their earlier findings that teens who pledged abstinence are
>just as likely to have STDs as their peers.
>
>The latest study, published in the April issue of the Journal of
>Adolescent Health, found that teens pledging virginity until marriage
>are more likely to have oral and anal sex than other teens who have not
>had intercourse. That behavior, however, "puts you at risk," said
>Hannah Brueckner, assistant professor of sociology at Yale and one of
>the study's authors.
>
>Among virgins, boys who have pledged abstinence were four times more
>likely to have had anal sex, according to the study. Overall, pledgers
>were six times more likely to have oral sex than teens who have
>remained abstinent but not as part of a pledge.
>
>The pledging group was also less likely to use condoms during their
>first sexual experience or get tested for STDs, the researchers found.
>
>Data for the study was taken from the National Longitudinal Study of
>Adolescent Health. An in-school questionnaire was given to a nationally
>representative sample of students in grades 7-12 and followed up with a
>series of in-home interviews roughly one, two, and six years later. It
>was funded in part by the National Institute of Child Health and Human
>Development and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
>
>Leslee Unruh, president of the National Abstinence Clearinghouse in
>Sioux Falls, S.D., called the study "bogus," disputing that those
>involved had pledged true "abstinence."
>
>"Kids who pledge abstinence are taught that any word that has 'sex' in
>it is considered a sexual activity," Unruh said. "Therefore oral sex is
>sex, and they are staying away."
>
>Millions of teens have signed written pledges or verbally promised to
>abstain from sex, part of a church-led effort to discourage premarital
>sex and the spread of disease. President Bush has boosted funding for
>abstinence-only education in schools.
>
>Critics say that education needs to be coupled with safe-sex education
>to be effective.
>
>"If adolescents only had sex in monogamous, married relationships, by
>definition there would be no STDs," Brueckner said, echoing President
>Bush's remarks in last year's State of the Union address. "But the
>majority of adolescents don't live like that. They do have sex."
>
>Last year, the same research team found that 88 percent of teens who
>pledge abstinence end up having sex before marriage, compared with 99
>percent of teens who do not make a pledge.
>
>On the Net:
>
>Journal of Adolescent Health: http://www.jahonline.org/
>
>National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health:
>http://www.cpc.unc.edu/addhealth
>
>National Abstinence Clearinghouse: http://www.abstinence.net/
>
>
>03/18/05 20:26 EST
>
>Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. The information contained in the
>AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise
>distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated
>Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL.



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