From: "Robert G Lewis" 

That's a believable number for retired Generals and Admirals. How many
retired in the last 5 years which is what Rumsfeld commented on in the DOD
transcript?




"Mark"  wrote in message news:44418d35{at}w3....
> Turns out it's about 4700 retired generals still kicking.
> http://www.slate.com/id/2139847
>
> "It's hard to get good numbers, but the Explainer estimates that about
> 4,700 general officers are enjoying their retirement in the United States
> right now. (For a detailed look at the data and the Explainer's
> calculations, click here.) That means the six former generals who stepped
> forward to criticize Rumsfeld make up about one-tenth of 1 percent of the
> total community...."
>
>
> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
news:444189a7$1{at}w3....
>> What you can't add?  Makes it more than thousands.  Then add in the
>> retired and it makes it more than thousands again.  So 4 or 5 guys out of
>> thousands have something to say.  Odds are 4 9r 5 out of thousands
>> believe the moon is made of blue cheese as well.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> "Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message
>> news:44414897{at}w3....
>>> Really. What happens when the reserves are called up - They are on
>>> active duty. I read what Rumsfield said ( the transcript is online). I
>>> also gave you the DOD numbers from Feb of this year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
news:44414169$1{at}w3....
>>>> Your link shows total active duty personnel by rank with generals at
>>>> just under 1000.  Today's military is designed to be composed of not
>>>> just active duty but reserve personnel.  That will put generals over
>>>> 1000. When you total active duty, reserves, national guard, and
>>>> retired, its thousands Bob. Rumsfeld was correct.  You
should have kept
>>>> listening.
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> "Robert G Lewis" 
wrote in message
>>>> news:44412ac4$1{at}w3....
>>>>> http://www.dior.whs.mil/mmid/military/miltop.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary Britt"  wrote in
message news:444129c3{at}w3....
>>>>>> There are thousands of Generals Bob.  Almost 2000
active duty
>>>>>> generals, and must be thousands more retired.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Robert Comer"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:44411aec$1{at}w3....
>>>>>>> Rumsfeld also said there are thousands of
generals/admirals, which I
>>>>>>> know is exaggerated to say the least, and I
stopped listening to him
>>>>>>> after that.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Bob Comer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gary Britt" 
wrote in message news:44411a0a{at}w3....
>>>>>>>> Generals brings us back to the change
adverse whiners and
>>>>>>>> incompetents and passed over for promotion
people who are speaking
>>>>>>>> out to hawk books and to promote their
feelings against the
>>>>>>>> military reformation that Don Rumsfeld has
been pushing since
>>>>>>>> coming into office.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:443ffe69{at}w3....
>>>>>>>>> So none of the Generals have any
experience either?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1842182&page=1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Batiste is one of six retired generals
demanding Rumsfeld step
>>>>>>>>> down, breaking a long tradition of the
military steering clear of
>>>>>>>>> politics.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "We have nothing to gain by this.
There's no political agenda at
>>>>>>>>> all," Batiste said. "We've
been loyal subordinates. This is all
>>>>>>>>> about soldiers - service men and women
- and their families."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Batiste led the First Infantry
Division in Iraq in 2004 and 2005.
>>>>>>>>> He retired from the military in
November 2005, passing up a third
>>>>>>>>> star and a chance to be second in
command in Iraq.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Gary Britt"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:443ff67c$1{at}w3....
>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't say anything in there
about having any defense
>>>>>>>>>> department/military operations and
strategy expertise now does
>>>>>>>>>> it. Doesn't even indicate interest
in military stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:443ff261$1{at}w3....
>>>>>>>>>>> Gee Gary  I would have thought
the Lexington Institute your cup
>>>>>>>>>>> of tea. It's not the liberals
that are turning
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.lexingtoninstitute.org/mission.asp
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Lexington Institute
believes in limiting the role of the
>>>>>>>>>>> federal government to those
functions explicitly stated or
>>>>>>>>>>> implicitly defined by the
Constitution. The Institute therefore
>>>>>>>>>>> actively opposes the
unnecessary intrusion of the federal
>>>>>>>>>>> government into the commerce
and culture of the nation, and
>>>>>>>>>>> strives to find
nongovernmental, market-based solutions to
>>>>>>>>>>> public-policy challenges. We
believe a dynamic private sector is
>>>>>>>>>>> the greatest engine for social
progress and economic prosperity.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary Britt"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:443fe9ee$1{at}w3....
>>>>>>>>>>>>I bet he understands it a
hell of a lot better than Loren
>>>>>>>>>>>>Thompson and the entire
Lexington Institute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If a general thinks a
policy is so wrong that it puts his
>>>>>>>>>>>> troops in needless and
senseless danger, then he should have
>>>>>>>>>>>> the courage of his
convictions; resign his commission publicly
>>>>>>>>>>>> and make known at that
time the specific reasons for his
>>>>>>>>>>>> resignation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise its just money
hungry book hawking and change adverse
>>>>>>>>>>>> and/or disgruntled EX
employees of the military.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:443fe058$1{at}w3....
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Bushies will have
to purge the officer corps soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/20060414/cm_rcp/the_kni
ves_are_out_for_rummy;_ylt=A86.I2ELwT9EM18BjgT9wxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYw
N5bnN1YmNhdA--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Loren Thompson, a
military analyst of the Lexington
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Institute, told the
Christian Science Monitor that while some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the rancor towards
Rumsfeld can be attributed to his well
>>>>>>>>>>>>> publicized efforts
transform the military, "much of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> officer corps thinks
he simply doesn't understand technology
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or operations in
sufficient depth to grasp the consequences of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> his policies, and yet
he routinely uses his position to quash
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dissent."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary Britt"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:443fcfcd$1{at}w3....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Imagine that Monte
has absolutely no clue of the psychology
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of bureaucracies
and the petty grudges of people who don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want their
bureaucracy changed. Anyone with a brain whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever worked in a
large organization knows full well and first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand how change
adverse some people can be.  Rumsfeld has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been reforming and
changing the military, its operations, its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> budgeting, its
programs, its structure, etc. since first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming to office. 
If he didn't make a few change adverse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generals upset
then THAT would be something to worry about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the past 5
years 100's and 100's of generals have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retired, been
passed over, been pushed out of the military
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and only 4 or 5
out of these 100's come forward to bitch when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is in their own
pecuniary and petty interests to so do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only a non-nuanced
imbecile (i.e. Monte et al) would consider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these people
anything but petty change adverse, passed over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for promotion,
bureaucrats. Seeking revenge on the guy who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't as milk
toasty as the incompetent defense secretary's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to whom they grew
accustomed under Clinton.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't reply Monte,
we know you have no defense to these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Monte
Davis"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
news:glcv32db4qtplkv84l9fnm2g6nmgr5t85e{at}4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Mark"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Imagine
that, as we crossed the Rhine...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Imagine that
neither Victor nor Mark has a clue about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between WWII and Iraq.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Or, more
likely, that they do -- but find it ideologically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore them)
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