From: "Robert G Lewis" 

And while we are talking about listening Gary

SEC. RUMSFELD:  I don't know how many generals there have been in the last
five years that have served in the United States armed services.  Hundreds
and hundreds and hundreds.  And there are several who have opinions.  And
there's nothing wrong with people having opinions.  And I think one ought
to expect that.  When you're involved in something that's controversial, as
certainly this war is, one ought to expect that.  It's historic, it's
always been the case, and I see nothing really very new or surprising about
it.

Note Rumsfeld's first three words.


"Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message
news:44414897{at}w3....
> Really. What happens when the reserves are called up - They are on active
> duty. I read what Rumsfield said ( the transcript is online). I also gave
> you the DOD numbers from Feb of this year.
>
>
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> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
news:44414169$1{at}w3....
>> Your link shows total active duty personnel by rank with generals at just
>> under 1000.  Today's military is designed to be composed of not just
>> active duty but reserve personnel.  That will put generals over 1000.
>> When you total active duty, reserves, national guard, and retired, its
>> thousands Bob. Rumsfeld was correct.  You should have kept listening.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> "Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message
>> news:44412ac4$1{at}w3....
>>> http://www.dior.whs.mil/mmid/military/miltop.htm
>>>
>>> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
news:444129c3{at}w3....
>>>> There are thousands of Generals Bob.  Almost 2000 active
duty generals,
>>>> and must be thousands more retired.
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
>>>> news:44411aec$1{at}w3....
>>>>> Rumsfeld also said there are thousands of
generals/admirals, which I
>>>>> know is exaggerated to say the least, and I stopped
listening to him
>>>>> after that.....
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bob Comer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary Britt"  wrote in
message news:44411a0a{at}w3....
>>>>>> Generals brings us back to the change adverse whiners and
>>>>>> incompetents and passed over for promotion people
who are speaking
>>>>>> out to hawk books and to promote their feelings
against the military
>>>>>> reformation that Don Rumsfeld has been pushing
since coming into
>>>>>> office.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:443ffe69{at}w3....
>>>>>>> So none of the Generals have any experience either?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1842182&page=1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Batiste is one of six retired generals
demanding Rumsfeld step down,
>>>>>>> breaking a long tradition of the military
steering clear of
>>>>>>> politics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We have nothing to gain by this. There's
no political agenda at
>>>>>>> all," Batiste said. "We've been
loyal subordinates. This is all
>>>>>>> about soldiers - service men and women - and
their families."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Batiste led the First Infantry Division in
Iraq in 2004 and 2005. He
>>>>>>> retired from the military in November 2005,
passing up a third star
>>>>>>> and a chance to be second in command in Iraq.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gary Britt" 
wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:443ff67c$1{at}w3....
>>>>>>>> It doesn't say anything in there about
having any defense
>>>>>>>> department/military operations and
strategy expertise now does it.
>>>>>>>> Doesn't even indicate interest in military stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:443ff261$1{at}w3....
>>>>>>>>> Gee Gary  I would have thought the
Lexington Institute your cup of
>>>>>>>>> tea. It's not the liberals that are turning
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.lexingtoninstitute.org/mission.asp
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Lexington Institute believes in
limiting the role of the
>>>>>>>>> federal government to those functions
explicitly stated or
>>>>>>>>> implicitly defined by the
Constitution. The Institute therefore
>>>>>>>>> actively opposes the unnecessary
intrusion of the federal
>>>>>>>>> government into the commerce and
culture of the nation, and
>>>>>>>>> strives to find nongovernmental,
market-based solutions to
>>>>>>>>> public-policy challenges. We believe a
dynamic private sector is
>>>>>>>>> the greatest engine for social
progress and economic prosperity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Gary Britt"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:443fe9ee$1{at}w3....
>>>>>>>>>>I bet he understands it a hell of a
lot better than Loren Thompson
>>>>>>>>>>and the entire Lexington Institute.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If a general thinks a policy is so
wrong that it puts his troops
>>>>>>>>>> in needless and senseless danger,
then he should have the courage
>>>>>>>>>> of his convictions; resign his
commission publicly and make known
>>>>>>>>>> at that time the specific reasons
for his resignation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise its just money hungry
book hawking and change adverse
>>>>>>>>>> and/or disgruntled EX employees of
the military.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:443fe058$1{at}w3....
>>>>>>>>>>> The Bushies will have to purge
the officer corps soon
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/20060414/cm_rcp/the_knive
s_are_out_for_rummy;_ylt=A86.I2ELwT9EM18BjgT9wxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5
bnN1YmNhdA--
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But Loren Thompson, a military
analyst of the Lexington
>>>>>>>>>>> Institute, told the Christian
Science Monitor that while some of
>>>>>>>>>>> the rancor towards Rumsfeld
can be attributed to his well
>>>>>>>>>>> publicized efforts transform
the military, "much of the officer
>>>>>>>>>>> corps thinks he simply doesn't
understand technology or
>>>>>>>>>>> operations in sufficient depth
to grasp the consequences of his
>>>>>>>>>>> policies, and yet he routinely
uses his position to quash
>>>>>>>>>>> dissent."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary Britt"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:443fcfcd$1{at}w3....
>>>>>>>>>>>> Imagine that Monte has
absolutely no clue of the psychology of
>>>>>>>>>>>> bureaucracies and the
petty grudges of people who don't want
>>>>>>>>>>>> their bureaucracy changed.
Anyone with a brain whose ever
>>>>>>>>>>>> worked in a large
organization knows full well and first hand
>>>>>>>>>>>> how change adverse some
people can be.  Rumsfeld has been
>>>>>>>>>>>> reforming and changing the
military, its operations, its
>>>>>>>>>>>> budgeting, its programs,
its structure, etc. since first coming
>>>>>>>>>>>> to office.  If he didn't
make a few change adverse generals
>>>>>>>>>>>> upset then THAT would be
something to worry about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the past 5 years
100's and 100's of generals have retired,
>>>>>>>>>>>> been passed over, been
pushed out of the military and only 4 or
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5 out of these 100's come
forward to bitch when it is in their
>>>>>>>>>>>> own pecuniary and petty
interests to so do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Only a non-nuanced
imbecile (i.e. Monte et al) would consider
>>>>>>>>>>>> these people anything but
petty change adverse, passed over for
>>>>>>>>>>>> promotion, bureaucrats.
Seeking revenge on the guy who isn't as
>>>>>>>>>>>> milk toasty as the
incompetent defense secretary's to whom they
>>>>>>>>>>>> grew accustomed under Clinton.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't reply Monte, we know
you have no defense to these
>>>>>>>>>>>> comments.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Monte Davis"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>
news:glcv32db4qtplkv84l9fnm2g6nmgr5t85e{at}4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mark"
 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Imagine that, as we
crossed the Rhine...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Imagine that neither
Victor nor Mark has a clue about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences
>>>>>>>>>>>>> between WWII and Iraq.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Or, more likely, that
they do -- but find it ideologically
>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore them)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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