From: Ad 

George Sherwood wrote:
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 06:54:54 +0100, Ad wrote:
>
>> George Sherwood wrote:
>>> Remember those heady days back in December 2005, Adam and Phil just
>>> crowing that now, who needs the US GPS system?  We have our own.  I
>>> think I noted, hey it was just a test satellite give me a shout when
>>> more happens.  Well now two years later, nothing has happened and it
>>> won't happen any earlier then 2011 and I doubt that.  By then if GPS
>>> III stays on track Galileo will won't even be a superior system that
>>> you have to pay for.  Well I am sure the EU will be there to bail it
>>> out, maybe.
>>>
>>>
>> ROFLMAO. Oh here is the the spokesman for the US being all in favour of
>> private enterprise & thus pushing his entirely
"state-mil-industrial"
>> GPS over the "free market choice".
>
> Digging deep for this one Adam.

Nah. It's straight forward. What are you a state enterprise or a private
enterprise sort?

> GPS was never meant to be a commercial
> enterprise.

But it is now. By that marker then Gallileo ain't in any trouble as it
should have always been a state enterprise & thus the foolish
experiment with private enterprise is coming to it's natural conclusion.

> It was designed and supported as a military system.  So they
> state shouldn't fund military projects?  Strange way of thinking in my
> opinion.
>

Depends on whether that project then becomes a commercial one. I accept the
US has always had problems with this wrt it's funding of Boeing by other
means (e.g. disguising state aid as "military spending").


>
>> Oh dear George I was wondering if you'd wander into this hole.
>
> I don't understand at all what hole you are talking about.  Show me where
> GPS was setup and funded to be a commercial venture?
>


So encrypt the signals such that only mil systems can use it.

>
>> Yes I am sure the EU will bail it out with taxpayer money however it
>> will be a bail out unlike your US entirely state based solution.
>
> The EU will bail out a commercial venture.  GPS is a military venture.
> This is what the Euros hate about it so much since the military can decide
> to change the rules on it.  As Airbus Europe will bail out a commercial
> venture and try to link it to military spending of the US old story.
>

Ah here you're wandering all over the place. Surely Galileo was initially
set up due to a political imperative which was to get an independant
positioning system much like have an independant deterrant, independent
reconnaissance system etc? Heck if it's such a vital mil imperative then it
must be a state enterprise anyway so all this silliness over "private
enterprise" is now simply drawing to a close.

So by your reckoning one could define having a functioning large aircraft
capability s a mil imperative (e.g. airbus) as is a functioning missile
program (ergo Ariane)  etc.etc. Gee looks like the WTO is going to be out
of business.


>
>> I am sure that the next stage will be to take the US mil to court in the
>>   WTO etc. for offering a state sponsored free service & thus
"dumping".
>>
>>
>> After all can't have illegal state aid on that sort of scale can we
>> now....
>
> As I said above they will try to make that link, but they haven't won
> against Boeing and this link is even weaker.
>

Easy way out george.....encrypt the signals so only mil tech can use GPS as
after all it's a mil system & not a US state sponsored anti-competitive
dumping strategy so as to maintain a monopoly....


Adam

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