Hyerdahl wrote:
> Ben wrote:
> > Hyerdahl wrote:
> > > Bernd Jendrissek wrote:
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> > > > In article

> > > > Hyerdahl  wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Sexism at its best is when men "rib" each
other, fully knowing
> > that
> > > > >they NEED a woman if they want regular sex,
> > > >
> > > > Men don't *need* a wife to get regular sex.  In fact, many men
> > report
> > > a
> > > > *decrease* in sex frequency after marriage.
> > >
> > > Most men reach a point in life where they tire of the chase, and
> yes,
> > > most men do want regular sex with a spouse.  IF they didn't, they
> > > wouldn't marry.
> >
> > Most men marry because society tells them to.  Being single doesn't
> > mean you don't get regular sex.
>
> Well, society doesn't FORCE men to marry,

"Force" as in giving them no other choice?  Nope.  "Force" as in
sending constant subliminal and not-so-subliminal messages as to what
kind of undesirable person an unmarried man is?  Yep.

> but men tend to view marriage
> as something they eventually want in order to have children and
> continue a family line.

Not so much anymore, especially with the numbers of women who don't
view childbirth within a marriage as the only proper way to do that.
Men can stay single and do that.

> >
> > >
>  Men can negotiate for more sex when they haven't yet given away
> > their > power (by committing to one women to the exclusion of
> others).
> > >
> > > Actually, that's women.
> >
> > No, it's men.  It's amazing how much more frequent sex is before
the
> > wedding.
>
> I'm quite sure that is your experience talking.

Sorry, I don't gossip about myself.  :)

>   HOwever, it is women
> who decide to have as much sex as THEY want, with as many men as they
> choose.

lol  So you think men don't decide any of that with women?  lol

>
> >
> > >  Women can have as many dicks as they want.
> > > Men are the ones begging.  :-)
> >
> > You're consulting the wrong manual.  Most eligible bachelors don't
> want
> > for female attention.
>
> Are you _really_ trying to argue that there are male prostitutes for
> women?  :-)  Women make money having sex with men who can't find it.

Are you_really_ thinking male prostitution has anything to do with what
I wrote?

>
>  Hell, most maried men could easily have sex with
> > numerous women.
>
> You're just into denial.

How so?  Do married men have affairs or do they not?

>  Women have many, many more sexual choices
> than men have.

Which has what to do with regular sex outside marriage?

  Now, women OWN themselves, and they are buying more
> guns to
> > protect >themselves, sometimes against the very men who WERE
supposed
> to be >protecting them.  :-)
> > > >
> > > > Those aren't the same men.  In fact, the two groups are
disjoint
> > > sets.
> > >
> > > So you say, and yet women are shooting their husbands and
> exhusbands
> > in bouts of domestic abuse. >You can't keep Maggie down on the farm
> > these> days, eh?  So, women >choose today, and they have chosen
> freedom from > your ownership style of>protection.  You know, the
word,
> "protection"> is also a racket.
> > > >
> > > > Have it your way, Ms Hyerdahl1.  You're evidently quite happy
> with
> > > the> status quo.
> > > >
> > > I am indeed.  Life is good.  More women are going to college than
> > ever> before;
> >
> > Yeah, because "Women's Studies" is so invaluable to society.  :)
> >
> Women are involved in all branches of education, just like men, AND
> most colleges today have "gender studies" along with or instead of
> women's studies.

So they've renamed "women's studies".  Big deal.

>
> > > fewer women are marrying.  More women who do marry are marrying
> > > later and having fewer children, later as well.
> >
> > No problem with that, but don't blame men when the demographics
shift
> > and they're not in your favor.
>
> Blame men?  I relish the notion that bitter boys won't be spreading
> their seed.

Given your definition of "bitter boys", my cautionary note still
applies.

>  The men who DO find a willing mate are either not sexist
> or they hide their sexism just long enough for marraige, and then
women
> file for divorce.

Men don't appear to be giving women as much opportunity to take
advantage of divorce laws as they have in the past.  After all, a man
with considerable assets might find it easier and cheaper to simply pay
child support than risk his entire fortune with a wife...you know,
because of her considerable sacrifice of a career as a secretary and
whatnot.

>
> Single women are> > having children and continuing to work outside
the
> home.
> >
> > Which is harming those children.
>
> So you say, and yet there is NO PROOF at all that it is the single
> nature of the woman that results in harm to children.

It's all around you, like air.  Whether or not you cover your eyes and
ears and scream loudly doesn't alter the truth.

>  In fact, most
> studies that show harm to childrren are about paternal abandonment
and
> poverty.

Well, there are the studies conducted by feminists (the ones you cite),
and then there are the true studies.   And then, trumping all that,
there's real life.  As a group, children from broken families fare
worse.

>
>
> > More and more > women are also open about lesbian relationships.
> AND, let's not> forget > the huge divorce rate when married women
> discover their mates aren't > into doing their fair share of the
unpaid
> work.
> >
> > Gee, this huge divorce rate?  Didn't it come along at about the
same
> > time no-fault divorce came into play?
>
> Coult be.  After all, men who want to keep Maggie down on the farm
have
> a need to make things very difficult for her to leave.

Or gender feminists who view marriage disfavorably could be urging its
dissolution as a form of "empowerment".

>
> When women discovered they could> walk away with everything in their
> favor?
>
> A marriage is like a partnership, dear;  when one partner splits, the
> partnership ends and they split the remains of the business.

The terms of any split are negotiable.

>  That
> hardly means one walks away with everything.

I think I said "everything in their favor".

>
>  It must be, because your> little fantasy about why women divorce
just
> doesn't hold up to even> mild scrutiny.
>
> Well, let's look at that:
> 1.  Women have the same right to divorce that men have

They receive preferential treatment in divorce courts.

> 2.  When the partnership ends they divide the spoils even steven

Even if they had nothing to do with creating the "spoils" in the first
place.  And it would appear that you're hitting on why many women file
for divorce in he first place.

> 3.  Either spouse has the right to sacrifice by staying home

If it's a choice, it's not a sacrifice, AND, society looks upon
stay-at-home mothers far more favorably than men who do the same.

> 4.  The partners decide how their lives work out best regarding which
>     spouse stays home.

Not if one partner simply makes a unilateral decision.

> 5.  Either spouse can choose to be a primary caregiver.

Your definition of "primary caregiver" is biased towards women.

>
> Sounds fair to me.

Of course it does, for reasons I've already pointed out.


>
> > >  Life is good
> >
> > For sexists/racists getting their own way, it usually is.  The good
> > news is it doesn't last.  :)
>
> Well, do let me know when patriarchs get to split the baby in two.
> :-)

Sorry, but only feminists think babies need to die for them to get
their own way.



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