-=> Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Allen Prunty <=-

 AP> Now that you have read the entire message, please share comments.

 WvV> Now that I have red your message it's clear to me, you look to fidonet
 WvV> with your experience from the distant past. Current fidonet is a very
 WvV> much different thing. For starters it's so much smaller than in it's
 WvV> hayday. Only 10% of the nodelist is left, and if you count active
 WvV> participants it's even smaller. Further more as almost all links use
 WvV> the internet at zero cost, anyone can connect every where. So all this
 WvV> hierarchical structuring is mostly irrellevant, and moderators, where
 WvV> they still exist, have no real power at all. Just the mere existence of
 WvV> moderators frustrates the smooth operation of the network and seems to
 WvV> cause more aggrevation between the participants of an area.

Moderators should keep things on an even keel and keep the script kiddies and
other doofuses in line. What you seem to be advocating is anarchy and chaos.

 WvV> Further: the north american backbone (not "the backbone" as you said),
 WvV> has made itself irrelevant since the fidonews coup, and the "genesis"
 WvV> of the fidoweb as a concequence. So the elist because it isn't
 WvV> recognized as being part of fidonet, and only part of Z1 uses it, is
 WvV> even less relevant. It's mostly a mausoleum of dead areas anyway. There
 WvV> seem to be more areas than active users!

That's only because you are in Europe. Certainly there are more areas than
intelligent users - that's a give and has been since the decline of BBSes in
general.

 WvV> So let's do without a moderator and rules in this area, it has existed
 WvV> without it for more then 10 years now. The thought of having an

Let's not. With no rules and no limits then chaos results and this might as
well be ALL POLITICS or one of the religion echoes ..... even the Flame echo
has (well, had, last time I looked) amoderator to keep things from getting too
far out of hand.

 WvV> election is even more rediculous, it would only aggrevate things even
 WvV> more. No good will come of it and would be a waste of energy!

I agree on the election. Allen has listed the echo and he is the moderator. End
of discussion. Whether you or I like it or not. It's the way of Fido.

 WvV> And mind you, I don't object to you trying to revive the area. But you
 WvV> can do that just as well without being the moderator. So put your
 WvV> energy into that and drop the moderator nonsense...

Do you own any Amigas or have anything positive to contribute?

Personally, I have several: an A500, an A2500/030, an A3000T (which I just
revived) and an A4000 for which I am seeking parts and may have found a
source(s) this place sprang back to life.

... "All sorrows are less with bread." -- Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra

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