From: "Mark" 

"No calling for blind killing of people such as the NJ six is calling
for a police state. You did NOT specify over there."

Well, I didn't mean to NOT specify over there. The rest is not anything
we'll ever agree on, you're simply more agreeable to the USA assimilating
into whatever the world thinks it wants at any given moment than I am.

Well, that is to say that I'm not agreeable to that notion in any way,
shape, or form. I happen to still believe that we're exceptional and will
fight for that ideal until I die -- win or lose, I'll go down fighting, not
kneeling toward whatever direction my "betters" and the ACLU tell
me.


"Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message
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> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>> "Robert G Lewis"  wrote:
>>> Yes we know you have no interest in arrests or convictions. Just kill
>>> them ( whoever them happens to be ). So much for the Constitution of the
>>> United States and the rule of law.
>>
>> Since when does the world get protection under our Constitution? > one of the Ft. Dix tubesteaks rates it, the others should be shipped off
>> to Gitmo right now and fed Filet Mignon until he talks -- what
>> torture!!!>
>>
>>
>
> Who said the world, the discussion was about their being here. As far as
> torture are there any valid studies that show it works as well as other
> methods ? Most of what I've read indicates its far better to turn them
> then torture them. Better information.
>
>>> Why you seem to yearn for a Police State I do not understand. I will not
>>> give up my way of life for them or for you.
>>
>> I'm trying to avoid a police state here by killing the s.o.b.'s over
>> there before they force it upon us over here.
>>
>
> No calling for blind killing of people such as the NJ six is calling for a
> police state. You did NOT specify over there. of course depending on where
> there is you would be calling for violating say the laws of England,
> Germany etc.
>
>>>I will not surrender to this fear you have of Moslems coming here to
>>>place Burkas on our women or their coming here to kill us.
>>
>> I have no fear of Moslems coming here, I have fear of the leftist
>> "multi-culti" surrender modus operandi that defers to
their every dream
>> of undermining our country as we know it. Go wash your feet in Minnesota
>> Bob, while you still have the chance to travel to do so, rather than
>> install foot washing stations in your town square -- but rip down that
>> offensive cross, rip down that Christmas Tree -- God, the hypocrisy and
>> underlying deathwish defies reason. It's truly scary how far you guys
>> will go to give up your country without a shot.
>
> Given that you have no fear of those Moslems you sure do talk about them a
> lot, fear of Burkas , fear of their coming over here. fear of bombs here
> .If you don't fear that then why do you keep bringing it up? To use that
> to justify murder and torture. It's only the right wing that is fearful of
> these nutcases. What hypocrisy and deathwish have I indicated ? Are you
> projecting ? Most of what I read from the non right supports things like
> due process and rule of law for all those in the US. Some people seem to
> think such things are good for other countries as well.  And it definitely
> was not the left that created a No Fly list with lots of false positives
> and made it difficult to get off that list.
>
>
>>
>> >I'd prefer to find the correct people and get rid of
>>> them ( Where is that Pesky Bin Laden anyway) not just go and kill for
>>> the sake of killing ( which seems to have increased the number of people
>>> opposing us).
>>
>> Find the "correct" people? If they rise up and yell
"death to America,"
>> they are the correct people -- they're not hard to find, they're on Al
>> Jazeera 24/7/365 -- what part of "us against them" don't
you understand?
>
> Yes find the correct people .Since they are so easy to find  where is Bin
> Laden ? By killing civilians we are increasing those who are opposed to
> us. Why do you want to use tactics that INCREASE the problems our troops
> face. US against them I understand. I just don't care to make more of
> them. Get the leaders, before they find new recruits, but do it in a way
> that doesn't increase the locals opposition to us.
>
>
>>
>>> I have no interest in body counts for the sake of body counts, Find and
>>> eliminate the actual problems, don't just kill and say we got rid of
>>> 'terrorists'.
>>
>> I agree, until the terrorists realize that we're going to take them out
>> ruthlessly, we're threatened by them -- when we cut and run from Iraq,
>> we'll set back that perception by thousands upon thousands of lives and
>> decades of otherwise avoidable strife around the world > wimpishness now, and our defeat in the not too distant future>
>>
>
> So how many troops are you willing to send to Iraq ? Another 20,000
> 100,000 400,000 ? As many as some of the Generals said would be needed
> before the war ? Of course there is the little question of where all those
> troops will come from, not to mention paying for all of them. Right now
> you have a lot of  Iraqis who simply want their country back. Give it back
> and let them take care of the terrorists there. Give them aid but stop the
> heavy handed tactics that haven't worked. Work with the rest of Iraq as we
> have the Kurds. Of course given the Administrations past history I'm not
> sure that's possible now.
>
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