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-> 
->  J>  The reason the military opposed torture of Al
-> ->>  Qaeda prisoners was not because they are softies, but because
-> ->>  they recognize, what you do to others, others can justify doing
-> ->>  to you. Al Qaeda may not recognize it, but Russia would, as
-> ->>  would a lot of other countries.
-> 
->  J> "The reason the military opposed torture"
-> 
->  Yes. The "enhanced interrogation techniques" were not in the
->  Army manual. And I recall senior officers speaking out against
->  them, on the basis I stated above.
-> 
->  J> I've been staring at that.
-> 
->  J> I'llget back to you.
-> 
->  ...
-> 
-> ->>  Blame does attach to criminal acts.
-> 
->  J> Yes. In war the law against killing other people dead is
->  J> pretty much modified, and a feeling of guilt is not always
->  J> absent.
-> 
->  Other soldiers, other people with guns, but killing unarmed
->  civilians can still get you tired, convicted, and even executed.
-> 
->  ...
-> 
-> ->>  And the advantage is gone, and the secret is revealed.
-> 
->  J> 50 years later when keeping the REAL secret is no longer
->  J> important. Have ye not read "Foundation"? We know a LOT
->  J> about Woodrow wilson we didn't know five years ago....
-> 
->  If you mean the Isaac Asimov book, yes.

Harry Seldon?
It's THREE books IIRC but that was back in Jr. High.

Foundation, Foundation and Empire and one other I believe
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