>>> Clarence Hogan on Universal Chit Chat 
 WE> The above mathematicians weren't speculating, they were proving
 WE> theorems, theorems about statements that can be neither proven nor
 WE> disproved and sets of numbers impossible to compute. 
 CH> Six of one and half a dozen of the other, right?
Nope, damned if you do and damned if you don't.
 
 CH> Hummmmm, who needs the blueprint, when they have the thing itself to
 CH> go by, for if we were able to create a universe, could we not also be
 CH> able to take our own exact measurement of the one we have to
 CH> duplicate it by and not need the complete blueprints, measurements and
 CH> all? 
Uncertain principle prevents exact measurements.
 CH> Why must you insist on throwing people into the equation of the
 CH> universe?  
Hm, don't know of any universes without people, do you?
There are no 
 CH> requirements in/of the universe that there has to be life as we
 CH> know it within it, now is there?  
Ain't nobody that'll require nothin' of no dang universe now is there?
 CH> man is in the universe, right?
What man?  Mark Twain?  Men, women and various other unrequired animates are 
all there.
 WE> You understand the mere mote of human existence.  You have no
 WE> experience with any other universes.  Your conjecture is unfounded. 
 CH> Could possibly be, however, did they not say the same thing of the
 CH> Wright brothers, A. G. Bell, and many others, so I guess I am in
 CH> fairly good company!  :)
Indeed you are in the good company of them and thousands of atheists of whom 
the same has been said.
 WE> Hindu mythology
 WE> declares that the god Vishnu sleeping upon the ocean of existence
 WE> dreams of innumerable Brahmas each creating his own universe. 
 CH> have in the past, read of this mythology and is somewhat of the
 CH> nature that I was speaking of above, is it not?  
What?  You are not a man dreaming of a butterfly but the butterfly dreaming 
that you are a man?
 CH> ... You could never convince a fish that the world wasn't all water!
Yes I could but it wouldn't live to tell about it.
... Both atheists and theists think too much about god.
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