Hello Bob!

18 Jun 08 13:16, you wrote to me:


The one thing you must know about me, above all else, which I would hope
transcends any ideological difference, is when I debate anything with
anyone, I do not allow myself to be restrained within some imaginary
framework my opponent might construct.

Some dont, some do, and you do.

If I want to stray slightly off the path for a moment, either to relate a
story, some information or attempt to make a point, then I shall, which is
what I tried to do below, and I even prefaced is with "[aside]".

I was fooolish to think you would have seen this and understood, guess I
cant be right all the time.

 RC>> [aside]

 RC>> Your political party supports abortion and same sex

 BK>  Irrelevant digression. Shows the weakness of your arguements.

See above.

 RC>> Yet you look down on those whom take or have a position
 RC>> that differs from your own, now you can see why I detest
 RC>> your party as much as I do, its the elitist attitiude. This

 BK>  It is your party, and it's adherents, who cannot discuss these
 BK>  issues without your crappy "chickenshit withdrawal" line. It is
 BK>  your party that paints anyone who disagrees as unpatriotic. It
 BK>  is your party that defends the lies that got over 4000 Americans
 BK>  killed.

You missed the whole point, any issue regardless of what it is will have 2
or more sides, people like you expect the other sides to capitulate to your
views.

 BK>  You do not look down on my party, you fear my party because they
 BK>  are right, and yours is wrong, and that can cost you all the
 BK>  advantages of being on the winning side, no matter how dirty the
 BK>  win. Though I do suspect you are more one of those Obama talked
 BK>  about, who vote against your own interests. You also vote
 BK>  against the interests of this country.

Yes I do fear your party and what it stands for, if evil can be defined,
look no further than the DNC.

I have never voted a straight ticket, ever in my life, perhaps it is a good
time to start?

 RC>> happens with both sides so I am sure you can relate the
 RC>> same, only from your perspective and not mine?

 BK>  Yeah, only my side didn't get hundreds of thousands killed in
 BK>  Iraq, 4000+ of them Americans.

No, Johnsons escalation, got 10's of thousands of our boys killed in Vietnam.

I am not going to get into a who started Vietnam debate with you other than
to say that LBJ using a lie (read: Tonkin) flung our military full bore
into Vietnam, when he could have elected to have left things as they were
or even reversed the policy, actions and any involvement set in place by
those that preceeded both him and JFK.

So if you want to cry over spilt milk, by all means, lets.

 RC>> I had no reason to enlist, I presume neither did Ed.

 BK>  IOW, because there was no draft. Which negates any arguement you
 BK>  had about me enlisting because of the draft.

I had no issue with you enlisting, I think it was obvious as to why so that
you had more choice as to what you wanted to do for the military.

Of course, feel free to show me slamming you for your service or enlisting
or whatever, it pisses you off that I dare disobey Klahns law by not being
a card carrying communist, er Democrat.

 RC>> I am sure that there are far more than just Ed and I whom
 RC>> didnt, but go ahead and focus your rage onto us.

 BK>  There are tens of thousands, make that more like Millions, who
 BK>  did not enlist because there was no draft. However, they are not
 BK>  going around trashing the service of those who did serve.

Have you talked to them all, I wouldnt use Fidonet as any sort of gauge as
to what people say, do or think? To do so would have the same sort of
shithead accuracy of one of them opinion polls.

 BK>  My service was honorable.

Have *I* said otherwise?

 BK>  I served as well as Hardegree did.

You were a combat helicopter pilot or commander?

Facing the risk of being mortared on a base while repairing radios doesnt
rise to the level of facing the risk of being shot down in a helicopter.

You and Stan didnt serve in the same times, so perhaps this isnt fair, so I
will raise my cup to the Huey pilots of the conflict and say they were more
at risk than a radio repairman.

However you both served out your commitments and on that criteria, you sit as equals.

 BK>  And I don't give a fuck what you think about it.

Didnt I thank you for it or is the senility worse today?

 BK>  And I see no reason
 BK>  to tolerate smear jobs from Mimi or Hulett or anyone else,
 BK>  whether they served or not. But especially not from those
 BK>  chickenhawks who never put on the uniform for one single day.

I want you to publish these smears, without commentary, you may use my
email if you wish?

From my vantage point, I have seen you trying desparately to defend Sauer,
which his experiences and embellishments are at the root of the entire
topic, yes I know, BS as far as you are concerned..


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