I Always edit out anything preceiding the Text and usualy edit the
Text and any thing following it.l
And at times I have accidnetly tested the Dupe scanner and it has
worked Perfectly each time!!  :-)



RC>Hello All!

RC>**IF YOU USE DOCSPLACE BBS TO POST FIDONET MESSAGES, THIS APPLIES TO YOU**

RC>Fidonet messages contain alot more info that gets used by the software to:

RC>* scan it out to the network

RC>* toss it in from the network

RC>But has no relevance to the average user.

RC>An example of this can be found by looking at the headers of any email messa
RC>there is alot more info than just from/to/subject.

RC>I am the uplink mailhub for DOCSPLACE, over the years I have noted that my
RC>system was trapping random messages from DOCSPLACE as duplicates that should
RC>have been flagged as such. When a message gets flagged as a duplicate, it go
RC>no further.

RC>With the help of Fellow Sysop Dale Shipp, he and I both believe we have foun
RC>the culprit, after all this time, the common denominator has been identified

RC>Part of the problem has to do with the message editor and QWK door of Docs B
RC>setup, which he cannot control, the other part has to do with the dupe check
RC>routines of my tosser.

RC>Fidonet messages contain header control lines, most of which begin
with an "
RC>sign. The ones involved in this issue help identify each message individuall
RC>with a unique identifying number, the originating system and the system that
RC>originated the message being replied to. It appears that nearly every false
RC>duplicate is indeed a message reply, not a new or original message.

RC>What is happening in the case of these false duplicates is that the person
RC>replying is including in the body of their message quotes, a few of the mess
RC>control lines of the message they are repling to.

RC>What is supposed to happen is the editor should change the {at} symbol to a
RC>different character such as a # sign or something other than {at}. However on t
RC>otherhand when this message reply gets to my system, my dupe checker should
RC>theory ignore the quoted control info because it is being prefixed with the
RC>usual quotation characters such as "->" or
"initials>".

RC>Because my system has seen the original message already, when it sees the
RC>quoted control info in this type of reply, it assumes it is a dupe.

RC>Preferably, the setup on Docs should alter the control character when it
RC>encounters it in a uploaded message from the QWK door or when a reply is bei
RC>authored by the user while online... A similiar preference is that my tosser
RC>should ignore control info that is prefixed by any character other than what
RC>supposed to be there.

RC>It is not a perfect world, the developer of Docs software hasnt done much wi
RC>the Fidonet side of it for years now and the developers of my tosser are als
RC>not as abundant, my tosser is open source, Docs is proprietary commercial.

RC>I will still attempt to contact someone whom might still be toying with the
RC>codebase for my tosser, most of it was done in Eastern Europe but Fidonet is
RC>much to code for when that group can concentrate on Rogue Security Software
RC>earn money.. :-/ Not saying that the same persons are involved, but it is th
RC>area where most of that stuff comes from now.

RC>The work around for this issue is pretty straight forward...

RC>When using Docsplace to reply to Fidonet Messages and you quote a message..

RC>DO NOT LEAVE WITHIN THE MESSAGE BODY OF YOUR MESSAGES, QUOTED OR NOT...

RC>Any line that begins with a "{at}"


RC>Examples: (Pretend # is {at})

RC>#MSGID ?:???/??? ????????
RC>#REPLYID ?:???/??? ????????

RC>The "?" can be any number and in the last octet also a letter.

RC>The best thing to do is not quote any control info back, do not include it i
RC>your quotes, it is irrelevant anyway from a users point of view.

RC>If you see any text that has a {at} sign in column one, edit that line out of y
RC>quotes.

RC>Excepting Test Messages to reveal this issue, I have noted false dupes writt
RC>by:

RC>JohnJWilson
RC>Wayne Chirnside

RC>Dont quote the control info and all will be well, there is no need to quote
RC>anyway unless specifically asked to do so.

RC>If I can get my tosser refined, I will let you know.

RC>==
RC>Ross
RC>Fidonet Feeds Or Fidonet In Your Newsreader: http://www.easternstar.info
RC>E-mail: ross(at)cassell(dot)us | Other Places: http://links.cassell.us
RC>Fidonet Netmail Routing Chart Z1 Only: http://netmail.fidonet4u.info
RC>... Democrat Is Code For Double Standards And Absolute Evil.
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