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From: "Steve Oostrom" 
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>My contention is the efficient utilization of said web-toys. Flash,
Java, Java Script, PHP, VB script, CGI, Perl, Coldfusion, Oracle, Gifs,
jpegs, etc., doesn't matter as long as the product is/has something to
offer. Eye candy and content. I have nothing against vanilla websites -
they must exist, but I will most often trumpet the efforts of a website
that has some sort of "web-toy."

>Garry, I'm glad you can settle for content. That's cool, I don't hate
you for it, but don't slam those who won't settle for just content.

>Because of all the web-toys available web designers can squeeze in much
more information AND dazzle visitors in about the same time span of the
early post gulf war era.

Although it is unlikely that you cannot buy a computer that is less than a = 1.6
gigahertz connection and all of that stuff, there are lots of people out th= ere
who have older computers and see no need to upgrade.  Also, broadband
connections might be more common in North America (although I don't have
one, since the building I'm in is not wired for cable) but not elsewhere. 
= I
don't know about other people, but I know I have readers in Europe and they
all basically say the same thing, they want sites that load fast because in
Europe, you pay rate charges for all calls, local and long distance.  You
d= on't
want a site that takes forever to load.  Those people want the content.  I
know people, for example, who load the directory of a website and then
download the content and skip whatever little frills I put on my site.

Also, the problem with all the web toys like Flash, Java, Javascript, PHP (= whatever
that is), VB Script, CGI, Perl and on and on and on is that you have to lea= rn all
of that stuff.  If that is your line of work, then it is fine to include it=
, but that is not
my line of work.  I don't have the inclination to learn all of that just
fo= r one website.
Large corporations or organizations can pay for somebody to create fancy we= bsites
with all of the toys, but I can't.  Whatever appears on the
"Athena" site i= s my own
work, so I don't think I'll be putting anything like that on the site anyti= me soon.
I have enough problems just keeping up a reasonable pace for posting storie= s,
and even HTML coding can drive me crazy sometimes.

There is content, which you need, and there is some style, to present the c= ontent
in some attractive packaging, but all of that other stuff becomes excessive=
 and
even distracts.  Very few of the "good" websites I visit have a
lot of this=
 fancy stuff
on it.  Information is what I'm usually after.

>One has to scroll, and scroll, and scroll and scroll to get to the
bottom - yeah you got that nice #room link at the top, but still. I got a
system with a 19 inch monitor set at 1280x1024 and I have to scroll. Have
pity on user with a 15 monitor set to 800x600! And you have it all in one
long vertical page. Frames are a good thing.

Scrolling is a fact of life on a fan fiction site. I'm not going to design
= the stories to be
posted a screen at a time.  Frames also can take up too much space, especia= lly
on a 800X600 monitor.  Scrolling is why they invented that wheel between th= e
mouse keys.

Steve
The Universe Unbounded.

Visit "Star Trek: Athena" at http://ussathena.iwarp.com




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>My contention is the efficient utilization of said web-toys.
Flash,Java, Java Script, PHP, VB script, CGI, Perl, Coldfusion,
Oracle, Gifs,jpegs, etc., doesn't matter as long as the product
is/has something tooffer. Eye candy and content. I have nothing
against vanilla websites
-they must exist, but I will most often trumpet the efforts of a
websitethat has some sort of "web-toy."
>Garry, I'm glad you can settle for content. That's cool, I don't
hateyou for it, but don't slam those who won't settle for just
content.>Because of all the web-toys available
web designers can squeeze in muchmore information AND dazzle
visitors in about the same time span of theearly post gulf war
era.
 
Although it is unlikely that you
cannot buy a
computer that is less than a 1.6
gigahertz connection and all of
that stuff, there
are lots of people out there
who have older computers and see no need to
upgrade.  Also, broadband
connections might be more common
in North America
(although I don't have
one, since the building I'm in is
not wired for
cable) but not elsewhere.  I
don't know about other people, but
I know I have
readers in Europe and they
all basically say the same thing,
they want sites
that load fast because in
Europe, you pay rate charges for
all calls, local
and long distance.  You don't
want a site that takes forever to
load. 
Those
people want the content.  I
know people, for example, who load
the directory
of
a website and then
download the content and skip
whatever little
frills I put on my site.
 
Also, the problem with all the web toys like
Flash,
Java, Javascript, PHP (whatever
that is), VB Script, CGI, Perl and
on and on and
on
is that you have to learn all
of that stuff.  If that
is your line of work,
then it is fine to include it, but that is not
my line of work.  I don't have the
inclination
to learn all of that just for one website.
Large corporations or
organizations can pay for
somebody to create fancy websites
with all of the toys, but I
can't.  Whatever
appears on the "Athena" site is my own
work, so I don't think I'll be
putting anything
like that on the site anytime soon.
I have enough problems just keeping up a
reasonable
pace for posting stories,
and even HTML coding can drive me crazy
sometimes.
 
There is content, which you need,
and there is
some
style, to present the content
in some attractive packaging, but
all of that
other
stuff becomes excessive and
even distracts.  Very few
of the "good"
websites I visit have a lot of this fancy stuff
on it.  Information is
what I'm usually
after.
 
>One has to scroll, and scroll, and scroll and scroll to get to
thebottom - yeah you got that nice #room link at the top, but
still. I gota system with a 19 inch monitor set at 1280x1024 and
I have to scroll.Have pity on user with a 15 monitor set to
800x600! And you have it allin one long vertical page. Frames are
a good thing.
Scrolling is a fact of life on a
fan fiction site.
I'm not going to design the stories to be
posted a screen at a
time.  Frames also can
take up too much space, especially
on a 800X600 monitor. 
Scrolling is why they
invented that wheel between the
mouse keys.
 
Steve
The Universe
Unbounded.
 
Visit "Star Trek: Athena" at http://ussathena.iwarp.com;">http://ussathena.iwarp.comhttp://ussathena.iwarp.com">http://ussathena.iwarp.com;
 







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