JO>> ->  JO> -> Remember, you assigned the term flame to this echo.
 JO>> ->
 JO>> ->  JO> C'mon, you think this echo is moderated so as to be
 JO>> flame-free? -> ->

 ->> It is not moderated to fascilitate hand-holding, if
 ->> that is what you mean.

 JO>> No, what I meant was, do you think this echo
 JO>> is moderated so as to be flame-free?

 RC> I never said this echo was flame free, if you cant show
 RC> passion and emotion, you arent sharing your true opinions.

 Then it is hypocritical of you to claim it is wrong for me to
 respond to flames in kind.

 RC> This echo was created to allow full free debate as an
 RC> answer to POL_INC.

 Then why do you make so many rules or rulings to cut us off from
 responding to the right wingers in kind?

 JO>>  I believe the answer is "no", and
 JO>> therefore, this IS a freaking flame echo! And flames are handled in
 JO>> your opinion fairly.

 RC> The way this echo is handled is to reduce the moderator
 RC> messages.

 And to reduce the actual issue content.

 RC> I'd rather people say what they really mean as opposed to
 RC> having to make double damn sure their message passes the
 RC> scrutiny of self-annointed moderator gods, like Klahn and
 RC> Ceppa.

 IOW, you want a flame echo. Yet you are not bright enough to
 realize, you are contradicting your own goals. Those who have
 something to say about the issues are discouraged by the flames.
 The end result, people don't say what they really mean because
 to do so means they will fail the scrutiny of self appointed
 flame gods like Hulett and Mimi and Hardegree... and you.

 RC> Like I said, if you crave hand-holding, then try Klahntopia
 RC> or Ceppatopia.

 Like I say, if you want to discuss issues, try a no-flame echo
 like mine or Ceppa's.

 BTW, if you don't want us "advertising", or more correctly,
 defending, our echos here then don't bash them here.

 JO>>  People arrange their own furniture. I have no
 JO>> problem with that. I have no problem with you :-) I think you are
 JO>> wrong sometimes, biased at times and I'm sure you feel the same. I
 JO>> like DEBATE. I like CROSSFIRE. It IS more rowdy here

 RC> Kind of like hanging out at a bar as opposed to a supper
 RC> club..

 Kinda like hanging out at a biker bar, instead of a decent bar.
 In the decent bar discussion may be passionate, but in the biker
 bar, you don't go in if you ain't a member. If you do the bikers
 gang up on you. Or you go in with your gang and you have a gang
 fight.

 JO>> :-)And far more to the right. Slightly less so than POLITICS, far more
 JO>> so than POL INC. I fear I'm being weaned away from FIDONET --
 JO>> Huffington post is really interesting, as is Talking Points. Got any
 JO>> right-wing sites yer proud of?

 RC> I neither crave, require or frequent such site, but I am
 RC> sure Sauer can get you in on the leftwing ones? moveon.org,
 RC> democraticunderground, etc.

 Moveon.org doesn't require anyone getting you in to. I don't
 read Dem underground. I don't read moveon.org, actually. I
 prefer tompaine.com. Or Mediamatters.org.


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