TE> KK> He also
TE> TE>wrote.statements on *both* sides of several issues during his
TE> TE>lifetime, including slavery.
TE> KK> Right.  While he publicly advocated the slow abolition of slavery,
TE> KK> he privately asserted that them nigras were not capable of the
TE> KK> attainments of real humans.
TE>Is this the quote you're basing that asinine statement on?
TE>       "I have supposed the black man in his present state might
TE>       not be [equal to the white man]; but it would be hazardous
TE>       to affirm that equally cultivated for a few generations,
TE>       he would not become so." --Thomas Jefferson to Chastellux,
TE>       1785.
No, it isn't.  I took the book back to the library and I didn't
copy it out.  But at some point in his life Jefferson stated that
he thought black people were basically inferior to whites.
The reason Jefferson seems to furnish quotes for everyone is
apparently that he was several people bundled into one.
He courageously advocated the slow abolition of slavery at a
time when it wasn't cool, yet he kept slaves all his life.
His own religious opinions were at variance from those of
most Americans, so he accepted things in public documents
that he did not believe in private.
TE>Read the quote again.  He is saying that given the same
TE>educational and social "cultivation" that blacks would be the
TE>equal of the "massahs" in only a few generations.  Given the
TE>culture they came from that is quite a vote of confidance.
TE>Subject any group to the social, educational, and dietary
TE>deprevations that blacks suffered under slavery and that group
TE>will compare poorly with the ruling class.
TE>       "The rights of human nature [are] deeply wounded by this
TE>       infamous practice [of slavery]." --Thomas Jefferson:
TE>       Rights of British America, 1774.
TE>Yep, sounds like a rabid slaver doesn't he?
Please don't misunderstand what I'm getting at here.  Jefferson
was a Virginia planter, yet he had the brass balls to introduce
abolitionist legislation.  He detested slavery, yet he kept slaves
to the very end of his life.  He wrote some of the greatest documents
in history about the rights of mankind, yet rumor has it that he
fathered children by his slaves.  We human beings need heroes,
but when we look closely at our heroes, we tend to find that they
are fallible and self-contradictory.  Just like the rest of us.
TE> KK> Oddly enough, when others here post Jefferson quotes that agree
TE> KK> with your value programming, you don't complain that they have been
TE> KK> taken out of context.
TE>Because they aren't taking his quotes out of context. You are.
When a Jefferson quote tends to agree with the tone of an echo,
its provenance tends to be overlooked.
TE>As far as religion is concerned I agree with Jefferson.  I don't
TE>give a fig if you believe in one God, twenty Gods or no God.  My
TE>religious views are my business and I refuse to discuss them
TE>with, or defend them to, anyone.  Others have the same right.
Damn straight, pal.  It is nobody's business what you believe,
or what I believe, or what Mr Plett believes.  Our beliefs only
become an issue when we think they should be made into US law.
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