To: trekcreative{at}yahoogroups.com
From: Nehemiah R Hall 
Reply-To: trekcreative{at}yahoogroups.com

However, his sight is also very accessible for the visually impaired,
something I can't say for a lot of the sights out there today.. Nehemiah

On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 01:08:05 -0500 Jim Jones  writes:
> Jay P Hailey wrote:
>
> >
> >And your assumption of that point of view has dictated the rest of
> the
> >conversation.  Can we toss it out?  i don't think anyone's going
> to
> stand
> >up here and say "Stories are boring!  They take to long and I have
> to
> >think to understand them!  give me a nice LCARS interface a a
> slide
> show
> >of explosion screen caps and I am there.  U R all luzerz."
> >
> >
>
> Garry Stahl wrote:
>
> My contention is that "style" is not dictated by having the latest
> in
> web-toys on your site.  Access is more important than web-toys.
> While
> it is neat what I can do with my computer, not everyone has a 1.8
> gighrz
> processor and a broadband connection.  Style and content can live
> side
> by side.  But style need not be glitz. Given the choice between time
>
> making content, and time making glitz, and I'll make content.
>
> So I'll ask the question.  Is my site ugly or unfuctional?
>
> --
> Garry   AKA   -Phoenix-   Rising Above the Flames
>
> Olde Phoenix Inn  http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
>
> James Jones replies:
>
> Okay . . . interesting question posed here. I figured this horse
> galloped into the sunset, but no! The lone Ranger turns his trusty
> steed
> back toward town for another round up.
>
> My contention is the efficient utilization of said web-toys. Flash,
> Java, Java Script, PHP, VB script, CGI, Perl, Coldfusion, Oracle,
> Gifs,
> jpegs, etc., doesn't matter as long as the product is/has something
> to
> offer. Eye candy and content. I have nothing against vanilla
> websites -
> they must exist, but I will most often trumpet the efforts of a
> website
> that has some sort of "web-toy."
>
> Is your site ugly or unfunctional? In the scheme of all, it just is.
> It
> is a plain ole website. I can read your content and click on the
> links .
> . . and that is all. Your website is stuck in the era of 1992. A
> time
> when the 386 and 486 was the new kid on the block, the 286 was on
> the
> way out and Pentium was a skunks work conception. The web was
> connected
> with pioneers on 14.4K modems and using authoring programs such as
> Anawave Hotdog and Notepad. That era is a dust mite swept into the
> dust
> pan of antiquity. It no longer has relevance in the year where
> schools
> will turn down the donations of PII 266 computers. It has long
> fallen
> off the radar screen. As the collective memory would declare, "14K
> what?
> 120 MHz who?"
>
> Most $200 systems have at least a 600+ MHz processor with 64 megs
> of
> memory.  A 2.4 Ghz chip cost a 5th the price a 486 chip cost in
> 1992.
>
> This is the era when you can walk into a computer store and pull
> components to build a 1.4 Ghz, 512 meg ram, 60 gig hard drive system
> for
> less than $500.00. http://www.pctekonline.com/asamdbarsyst.html
>
> "A computer case with CD-drive,floppy, built-in audio, LAN, and AGP
> video card:$155.00. 2.0 Ghz CPU for $50.00. Half a gig of memory,
> $50.00. 40 gig hard drive, $80.00. A system the will bring delight
> to
> the most jaded computer user: Priceless!"
>
> In case you're wondering. Yes, I built just such a system 8 months
> ago -
> and it is NOT the fastest system I have.
>
> It's getting to the point where you can't buy anything less than 2
> Ghz!
> So the point about "not everyone has a 1.8 gig" system is plain  . .
> . .
>
> Garry, I'm glad you can settle for content. That's cool, I don't
> hate
> you for it, but don't slam those who won't settle for just content.
>
> Because of all the web-toys available web designers can squeeze in
> much
> more information AND dazzle visitors in about the same time span of
> the
> early post gulf war era.
>
>
> Now, is your site efficient? Actually, not really, functional yes,
> efficient no. I have  . . . an interesting setup of computers at my
> disposal. I write programs and do websites . . . So I like to test
> my
> creations with different configurations such as different screen
> sizes,
> monitor size, processor speeds and connection speeds.
>
> The Ole Phoenix Inn is great for anything under 28k modem speeds
> (Can
> you actually walk into a store and buy a 28.8K modem? A 33.6K
> modem?),
> but it is terrible for the average monitor display settings.
>
> One has to scroll, and scroll, and scroll and scroll to get to the
> bottom - yeah you got that nice #room link at the top, but still. I
> got
> a system with a 19 inch monitor set at 1280x1024 and I have to
> scroll.
> Have pity on user with a 15 monitor set to 800x600! And you have it
> all
> in one long vertical page. Frames are a good thing.
>
> Now, an efficient website would have all selections on a screen
> size
> 700x500 . . . hmmm, hey! Didn't Macromedia create Flash for that
> purpose!? 500k graphics efficiently and effortlessly squeezed into
> a
> readable format of 50K! Damn this thing called progress is good.
>
> Or how about the retrieval of information. The word Database comes
> to
> mind. An efficient website utilizes a combination of user screen
> functionality and the advances of good data recovery. One screen,
> no
> scrolling, all choices - that's efficient. Hey, something like maybe
> a
> LCARS display! Go figure the marvels of web-toys!
>
> James
>
>
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