On 20 Mar 2005 15:29:46 -0800, "bluesmama" 
wrote:

>
>Andre Lieven wrote:
>> "bluesmama" (onebluesmama{at}gmail.com) whines, once again
ignorantly:
>> > Andre Lieven wrote:
>> >> howldog (lifeisgood{at}hotmail.com) writes:
>> >> > On 16 Mar 2005 09:31:31 -0800, "bluesmama"
>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>Some women might draw empowerment from those images; I
>personally
>> >> >>do not.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Howldog was making the point that women are
allowed to receive
>> >> >>> "empowerment" from scenes in
popular mainstream entertainment
>in
>> >> >>which
>> >> >>> women beat up men.  Can you think of an equivalent
>> > male-empowering
>> >> >>> entertainment phenomenon that exalts men over women?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Well first off I see empowerment as a positive
thing, and the
>> >> >>woman-kicking-man's-ass doesn't fit my definition of
>empowerment,
>> > but
>> >> >>that's just my opinion. If you are saying that there are no
>media
>> >> >>examples of men kicking women around, I'd have to
disagree -
>though
>> >> >>lately, it's been more verbal denigration than physical
>violence,
>> >> >>and frankly, verbal denigration is much worse, as
bruises do
>heal.
>> >>
>> >> Then, since its clear that women nag, far, far more than men do,
>> >> maybe that would be best helped if they... *stopped doing that
>*...
>> >
>> > I don't know about anyone else's experience, but I'd have to say
>you
>> > nag more than most of the women I've met.
>>
>> Even if that were true, does that change my point, about the *wider
>> population* ? No.
>>
>> Oh, thanks for showing that ad hominum is truely the last refuge of
>> the fact starved Festering Femmeroid.
>>
>> >> " Women who want more options would be well advised
to try being
>> >> the strong, *silent* type. " Fran Liebowitz.
>> >
>> > I don't see silence as working very well for men when it comes to
>> > getting more options.
>>
>> As the quote *isn't* about men, your point... is Ad Hom #2.
>>
>> >> > BZZZZT
>> >> >
>> >> > perhaps in your own personal experience.
>> >>
>> >> Well, Feminists ain't that bright, which is why they simply cannot
>> >> wrap their one neuron around:
>> >>
>> >> " The plural of 'anecdote' is NOT 'citation. ".
>> >
>> > And men like you are more gullible than most, which is why they
>simply
>> > choose not to wrap their many neurons around:
>> >
>> > "Just because it's in print, doesn't mean it's the truth."
>>
>> LOL ! Well, it surely beat gossip.
>>
>> But, if you want to claim that a specific item " in print " is
>untrue,
>> go right ahead.
>>
>> Just rememeber that that places the *burden of proof*... on YOU.
>>
>> >> > what you apparently fail to grasp is, certainly in the media,
>male
>> >> > against female violence is presented as the HORROR OF REALITY
>and
>> > "the
>> >> > evil men do", not as entertainment, and nobody
with half a brain
>> > would
>> >> > interpret this as "fodder for
empowerment". Female violence
>against
>> >> > male, is often entertainment, and fully presented as
>"empowerment".
>> >> >
>> >> > you didnt answer his question.
>> >>
>> >> Indeed, since an accurate and honest answer to that question would
>> >> clearly show that such " empowerment " is meant
for women, only.
>> >
>> > Your inference, perhaps a projection on your part,
>>
>> No proof offered ? Claim fails.
>>
>> > it's quite impossible to tell with you.
>>
>> Ad Hom #3...
>>
>> > I've come to believe you are having all
>> > posts translated into gibberish before you post them.
>>
>> Ad Hom #4...
>>
>> > Or you're
>> > actually some kind of program with a few stock phrases, endlessly
>> > recycled and recombined.
>>
>> Ad Hom #5...
>>
>> Oh, and as you were... UNABLE to debate/refute anything that I
>stated,
>> my points... stand. Excellent. 
>>
>> >> Just like all " rights ", when it comes to Feminists and
>Feminism...
>> >>
>> >> > Personally, no, i cannot think of any examples in the media,
>where
>> >> > men are portrayed as victorious over women, in a positive way.
>> >>
>> >> Never mind even in such cases. Consider what Kinsella had his
>> >> fictional verion of J. D. Salinger ( The writer who, in the film,
>> >> is a made up character, and is played by James Earl Jones. ).
>> >>
>> >> " Its a sad time when the world won't listen to
stories of good
>> >> men. Its one of the reasons I don't publish anymore.
" Page 133,
>> >> " Shoeless Joe ".
>> >
>> > The fact that you're talking about a writer you most likely don't
>know,
>>
>> No proof offered ? Claim fails.
>>
>> Oh, feel free to PROVE that your claim bears ANY relevence to the
>> issue at hand. No proof offered ? Claim... fails.
>>
>> > who is talking about a fictional character who is relating an
>anecdote
>> > about a fictional character -- this confuses me, what with that
>whole
>> > "anecdote/citation/proof" fascination of yours.
>>
>> I do understand that " it confuses " you. Thats the usual state of
>> the deliberately ignorant Feminist. Were one not so addled by self
>> inflicted Feminist brain rot, one would see that many fine writers
>> have their characters speak excellent life truths.
>>
>> > Unless you were inspired by Mark's All in the Family post, engulfed
>it,
>> > like some amoeba and processed it in your quintessentially Andrean
>way,
>> > before spitting it out for our entertainment.
>>
>> Ad hom #6... Oh, and as, once again, you find yourself UNABLE to
>> debate/refute anything that I stated, once again, my points...
>> stand.
>>
>> > Or bewilderment. Again, I'm becoming convinced you're a bot.
>>
>> Ad Hom #7... Oh, and: No proof offered ? Claim... fails. Again.
>>
>> But, please do keep going. Posting *unsupported cowshit* to Usenet
>> is a useful manner by which to prevent you from committing any
>> greater harms.
>>
>> > I'd stamp my widdle feetsies, but
>> > you'd start up that strident giggling again, and I'm not in a
>slumber
>> > party kind of mood.
>>
>> Well, take your meds, then, and get there.
>>
>> >> > Hollywood is a continuing double-standard. Pretty much par for
>the
>> >> > course for the left-wing hell it has become.
>> >>
>> >> Well, its not all about wings. Consider that Hollyweird wants to
>> >> make oodles of money. Just like, say, TV. So, both skew their fare
>> >> towards their view of who spends most of the money: women.
>> >>
>> >> Its not politics, its just... business.
>> >>
>> >> Andre
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to...
I guess. "
>> >>                                     The Man Prayer, Red Green.
>> >
>> > Please don't. You're so much more educational - and entertaining -
>just
>> > the way you are.
>>
>> 
>>
>> Baby Feminists is SO stupid.
>>
>> Andre
>>
>>
>> --
>> " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
>>                                     The Man Prayer, Red Green.
>
>"You talk too much, you worry me to death/You talk too much, you even
>scare my pets/You just talk, talk, talk/You talk too much.."
>
>Good song. Running through my head for some reason.


"I'll Be Glad When You're Dead, You Rascal You".

Good song.  Running through my head for some reason.


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