From: "CE" 

On Mar 27, 6:41 pm, "bramble"  wrote:
> On 27 mar, 18:35, "CE"  wrote:
>
> > 
>
> > Two things spring immediately to mind. First, religious belief is not
> > the result of mindless drones simply following the dictates of their
> > masters. In many cases, religious belief has spread in opposition to
> > the wishes of the socio-economic elites and even against the existing
> > laws. During the early days of the church, for example, Christians
> > were hunted down and killed. And in some countries, it is illegal
> > even
> > today to be a Christian. Believers in those countries meet in secret.
> > But the religion itself carries on and spreads.
>
> A jump to transcendence
> Wait a moment.  Wait a moment.
> First, we are risking to overestimate the number of Christians in
> these conditions of repression.  How on earth can we know how many
> Christians there were in times of Nero?  And in times of Constantine
> before making it a state religion?
> Well, there were some Christians all right.  But any religion starts
> to grow that simple.  Look at the Guru Maharashi that came to live in
> London as a singular immigrant.  It was singular, because he was not
> any fucking immigrant from India, but he was not less that the
> "reincarnation" of the god Krishna.  Do you follow me?  How many
> whitie Londoners he convinced to go begging money on the streets, with
> his head shaved and wearing light orange tunics?  You could see them
> everywhere, begging in the tube and train stations, before the movie
> theaters, and in the main bus stops.   If only the Queen of England
> had decided that the true god were the Krishna and that everybody had
> to worship the guru Maharashi as the reincarnation of god... Well,
> times nowadays are not very ripe for a new state god that came
> illegally from India, and the British monarchy has not enough clout
> for that enterprise, has it?  We are not in times of the Roman Empire;
> not even in the times of Henry the VIII any more.
>
> So, you are not coming at me throwing at my face this shit of the
> Christian martyrs, are you?  A minority is a minority, is minority.
> Just look at the communist of the world over.  They were also a
> minority, and were able to brainwash people as to make revolutions,
> and going to war here and there.  And their god Marx was not an
> Almighty god, but people nevertheless were able to risk their lives
> for the cause of the proletarian revolution, weren't they?
>
> So, do not underestimate the frailty of the human mind to be changed
> by ordinary means of brain washing.  This is not a rare occurrence.
> Looked at those people that are doing the "terrorist suicides".  They
> are common folks, not unnatural freaks.  The four young men that
> produced the explosions in London, some months ago, were not in
> Afghanistan, nor in a training camp of Al Qaeda.  They were four lone
> young men that were repeating among them the topics heard at extremist
> Islamic preachers.  So they were alone some months reinforcing each
> other about the project of making a bomb and kill as many fucking
> Christians as they could and after a time of mental preparation they
> did it.  By doing this, these young man tried to elevate them at a
> higher level of transcendence.  They were unhappy with their lives
> because they were nothing but pure Islamic trash young men with
> irregular shit jobs.  They were not happy with this condition, they
> wanted to be great, like the heroes of old stories and movies.
> A higher level of transcendence can be achieved when you discover and
> believe that this frail old man, the guru Maharashi, is nothing less
> than the god Krishna.  You can feel overwhelmed with this powerful
> revelation.  And this god is so near of you!  He had countless times
> spoke tenderly to you.  He had caressed you, even he made you to rest
> your head over his lap, while the god messed up your hair with his
> divine fingers.  You can do anything for a god like this, would not
> you?  Because you were nothing but a white punk and he discovered you
> sad and alone wandering in the streets.  And the god came to you and
> he was like a sweet daddy for you.
> So, in the case of minorities is not so difficult to believe in a new
> god whatever, or in any other redeeming ideology.  It could be a
> communist revolution or an Islamic revolution; it can be anything that
> would raise you from the nothing of the mean streets to the divine
> mountains of transcendence where the gods dwell.
>
> But if you want to have a religion for the control of 99 % of the
> population in a giving country... well, then you will need a great
> army of threatening thugs.  If you have not such an army... they would
> not be afraid of telling you "fuck off, you, son of a bitch".
> That is how the main dominant religions were established; well, and
> all the revolutions.  You have to instill the a good deal fear on the
> dissidents, till they hide themselves into the closet.
> Bramble

I'd respond but I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

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