Moderators please take note. You should be careful about who is moving your
echos. Some people in this network seem to think that your echos are their
own personal political football.

For more details, any concerned moderator should view the details posted in
Z1BACKBONE over the past few weeks.


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Z1BACKBONE Msg  : #805 [808]
 From : Michael Gothreau           1:134/33        28 Oct 03  18:59:00
 To   : All                                        28 Oct 03  21:15:04
 Subj : Your Messages
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{at}PID: SemPoint 2.26
Hi All,
In a message to All Ross Cassell wrote:

 RC> * Originally in HOLYSMOKE
 RC> * Crossposted in POL_INC

 RC> Hello All!

 RC> You all should be aware that with the HOLYSMOKE and POL_INC echoes,
 RC> that a Fidonet mail hub is pulling some highly unethical (and well
 RC> outside all known Fidonet protocols) practices with these echoes
 RC> containing your messages.

 RC> For failing to cooperate with the conference moderators of both
 RC> echoes, Dale Ross of 1:379/1 (the above referenced mail hub), was cut
 RC> from these echoes with the cooperation of his then known Fido peers,
 RC> using Fidonet protocols that have been in place for years when
 RC> dealing with these cases.

 RC> Within the Fidonet internal political scene, Dale Ross holds the
 RC> moderators of record for both echoes in the highest contempt and as a
 RC> result of this, once he was cut from the echoes, he goes out and says
 RC> the following:

 RC> -- snip -- Without using ANY of my fidonet mail connections I have
 RC> access to POL_INC on no less than 20 systems. More if I look harder.
 RC> They will have to cut ahell of a lot of systems if they are tying to
 RC> keep us from
 RC> reading the echo. -- snip --

 RC> and he finds some illicit feed, he strips the fidonet ctrl info from
 RC> those messages ( which are our real messages), imports them into his
 RC> BBS, and then he tosses them from his BBS to his hub, to his
 RC> downlinks, falsely showing his BBS as the point of origin.

 RC> I had been aware of him doing this with POL_INC since the first part
 RC> of august, I had been collecting evidence on this and a brouhaha has
 RC> erupted, Dale has met alot of criticism over this, of course he is
 RC> justifying it all in his mind. What I did not know until yesterday
 RC> was he was also doing the same thing with HOLYSMOKE.

 RC> He also has created fake user accounts, or allowed someone to create
 RC> them or import messages that appear to come from Dan Ceppa and
 RC> myself, all of which are fake and all of which are being
 RC> redistributed to other Fidonet nodes.

 RC> I have obtained a QWK packet from Jeff Binkleys BBS that proves this,
 RC> Jeff is one of several downlinks Dale is providing this stuff to and
 RC> is in on this with Dale.

 RC> Anyone wanting this QWK packet to see for themselves, let me know.

 RC> Anyone wanting to voice their displeasure over this can voice it to
 RC> Dale himself in the Z1BACKBONE echo.

I urge you all to do this.

Morality.

Dale Ross is posting your messages where they are not authorized to be
distributed.  It is one thing to appropriate the name of the echo, but it is
quiet another for your offerings to be stolen so that he and his oh-so moral
friends can laugh at what you say behind your backs like the cowards they have 
always been.

Cowards like Jeff Binkley and Stan Hardegree.


From the desk of...


   Michael Gothreau, concerned Fidonet sysop


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