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to: MATT MUNSON
from: BOB KLAHN
date: 2011-12-27 22:47:46
subject: Real Priorities First

MM> As part of my campaign to burn the old playbook of
 MM> campaigning I would like to emphasize the fact that I want
 MM> to advocate job creation. Without job creation we will not
 MM> get the tax revenue needed to fund the public services we
 MM> value.

 This is so obvious it's hard to believe some do not see it.

 As I say, the entitlement cuts are meaningless. If we solve
 unemployment they aren't necessary. If we don't solve
 unemployment they won't do any good, we go under anyway.

 MM> Unfortunately if we elect Republicans to our state
 MM> legislature in Sacramento they will want to focus on red
 MM> meat issues of undoing LGBT civil rights laws and having
 MM> Arizona and Alabama styled laws on illegal immigrants
 MM> instead, as demonstrated in various states in our nation.

 You are too much a one issue advocate.

 MM> Even if Democratic Party legislators steal from clothing
 MM> stores, voters are not going to trust our party unless we
 MM> change our tone and bring the real priorities first of job
 MM> creation and help our state go from 49th in job creation to
 MM> hopefully 25th in job creation.

 It's the republicans who will steal, the democrats will be too
 busy tying to keep things from falling down around our heads.

 MM> How will targeting illegals help, when average Americans do
 MM> not want to work the agricultural fields even if people
 MM> were paid nine bucks a hour plus bonuses for picking more
 MM> fruits than the hourly quota? We should target the

 My word, you are behind the times. First because nine dollars an
 hour is not a decent wage. Second, way back some 30 or 40 years
 ago a Farm Labor spokesman, I beleive it was Caesar Chavez, said
 we don't need any immigrant labor to harvest our crops, we have
 enough citizens and permenant residents to do it now.

 Back then a lot of farm labor was made up of US citizens, and of
 legitimate green card holders. The immigrants they brought in
 were to push down the wages and keep farm labor cheap.

 MM> employers who were violating the law instead.Agricultural
 MM> fields are going fallow in Alabama and other states in the
 MM> south due to their regulations which cost farmers big

 Basically, so what? Low food prices have been the driving force
 in this country so long many have gotten the idea that paying a
 decent price for food is unthinkable. So fields go fallow in one
 state. That will only push up the cost of food a bit. After the
 price goes up, wages will follow, and legitimate farm workers
 will return to those fields. Sure we will pay a little more for
 food, but we can all do better by eliminating the illegal
 immigrants who pull down all our wages.

 Is isn't just farm work the illegals do. It's construction work,
 transportation, hospitality industry, etc. Jobs Americans are
 doing, but are being pressured on wages because of illegal
 workers.

 ...

 MM> regulation. We need an earned guest worker program where
 MM> three or four years on the farms would earn an immigrant a
 MM> green card and if they serve an extra two years for a total
 MM> of five or six years they can bring their spouse and family
 MM> over.

 No, we don't. All guest worker programs are exploited, and are
 just an excuse to avoid making the jobs pay what they need to in
 order to be done under the law.

 MM> 2010 led to Republicans gaining power in states such as
 MM> Michigan and Minnesota, but instead of fixing budget
 MM> problems they decided to put a marriage amendment on the

 ...

 They decided to beat down anyone who is not on their side, and
 anyone who challenges their wealthy backers.

 Don't get so fixated on your social issue complaints that you
 ignore the actual problem. The right is a servant to the
 wealthy, and they don't really care about your social programs
 except as wedge issues to draw in those they can manipulate to
 vote for the candidates of the rich.




BOB KLAHN bob.klahn{at}sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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