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from: Evil Hatter
date: 2001-02-23 23:11:58
subject: Re: Repost for Julie Baby...whiniest master (f)lamer on Usenet.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:01:27 +0000, Jules  wrote:

>>>>If that were true why did it take you a whole two days to recover?  I
>>>>mean really Julie, why did it take you a whole two days to sum up the
>>>>balls to reply to me? 

>>>It didn't, thimblewit. I'd suggest you do the maths on this
>>>and slow your typing speed a little as I suggested. Trust me,
>>>you'll see an instant improvement in what I'll charitably call
>>>your 'output'.

>>If you didn't, then why are you so adamant about trying to tell me so?

>It's called drumming home your fuck-up for all to see. Common
>practice around these parts. Don't like it, don't fuck up
>again. It's that simple, ya know.

Lovely backpedal, that was a rhetorical question though, there wasn't
need to try and defend yourself further.  I mean, yer not on trial
here Stupid.

>>>Here ya go...
>>>
>>>-----open-quote-----
>>>
>>>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:00:14 GMT
>>>Message-ID: 
>>>
>>>Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:09:56 +0000
>>>Message-ID:  
>>>
>>>-----close-quote-----
>>>
>>>Don't you just *hate* it when that happens, Hatsy? 
>>
>>Oh yeah, I just *HATE* when you try and prove yourself to me...

>Not prove myself in any way. I don't feel I need to prove
>anything.

Uh, huh, you've suddenly convinced the entire right side of Usenet,
really you have.

>>as if I even gave a shit in the first place.

>Of course you "give a shit". You did say: 
>
>"why did it take you a whole two days to sum up the
>balls to reply to me?" 
>
>Therefore you most certainly *did* give a shit, until you had
>your mess thrown back into your stupid face.

Unfortunately for you, I didn't give a shit, and I still don't.  To
me, you are nothing more than cannon fodder for me to use.  I mean I
smack you around, you get all pissy, you start replying, thus helping
me trash the fuck outta any groups I like.

>>>>Were you just not feeling up to it?

>>>Making you look silly is something I always have time for.
>>>However, sometimes it might take me a few hours to reply to
>>>your tat. It's called having a life, having other things to do
>>>from time to time and it's also a kind of chinese torture
>>>technique that I employ from time to time... you know it's
>>>coming, you just don't quite know when. But don't fret, I'll
>>>always find the time to prod you with virtual sticks *if* I
>>>feel you've earned my attention.

>>Blah, blah, blah, you certainly talk a lot.

>And you don't have any tangible answers, as evidenced by the
>statement above. Must be hard for you when you keep putting
>your foot in your mouth with such monotonous regularity. Like
>I say, *I* think it's down to that typing speed of yours...

I'm just of the opinion that conscious dullness has little right to be
prolix.

>>>>>BWAAAAAAAAAA!

>>>>There, there, don't cry little Julie.
>>>Actually, I was laughing at you, as you well know. I find it
>>>hilariously funny that you're still feeling miffed the
>>>alt.flame regs voted you 'worst flamer' and 'biggest
>>>punchbag'. What did you expect when you came charging in here,
>>>making a lot of noise and very little signal? 

>>So let me get this straight, you actually think that you can use those
>>pitiful little awards as method of attack?  Don't you think that's
>>kind of...pathetic. 

>It does the job where you're concerned, "Worst flamer" and
>"biggest punchbag". 

And yet for some reason they don't seem to be getting the job done as
you keep waving them in front of you like some kind of defense and yet
I just keep ripping you apart.

>The facts speak for themselves and you
>hate that. So yes, why not rub your nose in them whenever the
>opportunity arises.

>>I mean really, if you're such an awesome flamer why is it that you 
>>have to resort to such childish banter, 

>Who said I was an "awesome flamer?". I know *I* didn't.

You're right, what was I thinkin, you're just a halfwit at best, I was
giving your delusions too much credit.

>>can't you handle me with your own wit?

>I'm constantly writing much more entertaining posts than you.

Nah, nah, nah, why don't you just fuckin BAWL, ya pathetic moron.
Honestly, what exactly is yer problem?  I mean yer constantly pissin
yerself in order to try and convince people you're better than me.
You know what's really funny though?  You're the only one trying.
Those who are the best don't need to compare themselves to others.

>People actually mail me and thank me for giving them enjoyment
>with my contribution to Usenet. 

You incredible accomplishments will never cease to amaze me.  BTW,
look like you got piss runnin down yer leg again.

>Most of those people have you
>in their killfiles as an 'also ran'.

Nobody filters me little one.  That's why I dominate nearly all the
traffic in and out of every group in the group line.

>>>There's a line in the FAQ that's just for you... "If I post
>>>here a lot, will people think I'm cool?" and the answer's a
>>>resounding no, Hatsy.

>>Actually I'm not in the FAQ at all, I believe I poasted about that at
>>one point.

>You're not reading slowly enough now. I was referring to the
>alt.flame FAQ. Not the "who's who" of alt.flame.

Like it matters, I own that group.  Took control once I beat the crap
outta Menjy.

>>>In fact, the more you post here in alt flame the more ridicule
>>>you're going to get heaped upon you. 

>>Then why tell me that?  You see little one, I know EXACTLY what you
>>want, you want it to end, for me stop.  alt.(f)lame would lose nearly
>>40 to 50 percent of all it's traffic if you could just get me to stop.

>You're easy to stop. It's called the killfile. 

Unfortunately you, along with everyone else, doesn't seem to
understand how to operate it.  Not that it matters, the most chaos
comes from those who reply to my posts, namely you.

>>My crosspoasting endeavors have trashed the shit outta the group,
>>along with most of the groups in the group line.  Even you can't deny
>>that Tinkerbell. 

>Alt flame has always been top heavy in noise and low in
>signal. Killfiles are essential here... I only read about a
>dozen people most of the time. The rest are just invisible,
>just like I make you when I tire of your lameness...

It's funny how whenever I severely beat the shit outta you and smash
yer little head into the ground you always run for the filter excuse.
But how can you be filtering me if you always come back in a couple
weeks?  I mean why is it that it take you that long to sum up the
balls to reply to me again?  I guess I'm just too much for ya, huh
cupcake?

>>I am a troll and getting you to try and ridicule me
>>in an effort to make me stop simply fuels me in ways you can't even
>>begin to comprehend.

>You're no troll, just the new Rob Cypher. A mass crossposter
>who has nothing to say other than "I've beaten you all" and
>"you're all spanked" et al. Boring to the extreme.  

On the contrary, my posts are so intriguing and so flame worthy that
they have the ability to incite massive crosspoasting wars and
insanity on a monumental level.  Take a look at Vinny, I flamed him
and he went completely berserk, now THAT was funny.  Or like when I
broke poor Marty's vanity mirror...he, he, he...

>>Literally I am sucking the very life energy out
>>of you.  You won't be able to handle me much long Julie, you've only
>>lasted this long by consistently plonking me every few weeks.  I
>>suspect you'll do it again in a few days, after all, you wouldn't want
>>to risk being destroyed.

>How do you think you can destroy me?

I bet given the right motivation I could drive you insane.

>>>There's enough dickheads in here already, without you
>>>adding more and thinking you're doing a public service. That's
>>>what pissed you off the most, the fact that your normal mass
>>>posting technique won you nothing but universal ridicule and
>>>that hurt you, didn't it?

>>Not at all.  I mean when you really think about it, if that were the
>>case what would be stoping me from getting a new Usenet account and
>>posting under a new nyme?  You see, it is YOU that has been hurt,
>>that's why you're so pathetically trying to get me to stop.  But I
>>won't.

>You'll stop alright. And it won't be of your own free will
>either...

Your pathetic runaway filters mean nothing to me little one.  It won't
stop me from inciting flame wars with dozens of other people and
getting them to trash the fuck outta whatever group I like.

>>>>>Everyone's a spankard according to you. 

>>>>Not at all, there are a great many people that I respect for their
>>>>skills as flamers and trolls, you're just not one of them, nor will
>>>>you ever be one either.

>>>Well that's "fine and dandy", *but* you didn't answer my
>>>question, did you?

>>Funny, what makes you think I was obligated to answer it in the first
>>place?

>You're not obligated.

Nice of you to realize that I'm the one in control.

>>>Mad Hatter.
>>>alt.flame "worst flamer" *and* "biggest punchbag"... yep
>>>that'll look real good and prestigious in your sig file.

>>My sig file?  Oh no, not there, on my site though.  You see, it's
>>funny in that the people who pinned those awards on me are only
>>winding up getting destroyed by me.

>Who have you destroyed? 

Well Menjy for one, I beat the crap outta him so badly he's become
delusional and thinks I'm some "Ludbunski" d00d who doesn't even exist
from what I can tell.

>>>Now go find me an alt.flame reg
>>>who thinks you didn't win "worst flamer" *and* "biggest
>>>punchbag" on merit, so I can call them a liar... Go for it,
>>>Hatsy. 

>>Name a real alt.flame reg who still exists.  The only real one left is
>>Menjy, and he's gotten his ass fucked 8 ways to last week.

>Look around you.

Did you forget you were on Usenet again?

>>>>and unlike you I have standards.

>>>Pffft... again, find someone who agree's that you're anything
>>>other than a noisy rabble rouser who posts shit just for the
>>>sake of making a noise and we'll discuss this further. Until
>>>then, shut up and listen for once rather than project your
>>>delusions.

>>OI, Spooge, Vampi, Z, 

>Well I think they're wrong as to your greatness or whatever
>else you want to call it. Not that I actually asked them what
>they thought of you, just made clear to them what I think of
>your supposed talents. 
>
>I also think you're going to turn into their biggest regret
>and I want no part of that. Doesn't mean I won't still be
>friendly with them just because I've left petitmorte, but I'm
>not prepared to run the risk of being associated with you in
>any way, shape or form because when you do royally fuck them
>over I want to be a long way away from the fallout so I don't
>get the blame.

LOL, So yer worried, huh?  Well, just because I've completely fucked
people over on a whim in the past doesn't mean I'm going to do it
again.  Besides, if I'm such a benign flamer, what are you so worried
about?

>>most of the AUK regs, 

>Think you're a dickhead. Want the names? Unlike you, I'm happy
>to back my claims up with facts.

Oh I'm not a dickhead, I apologized for the damage I did to AUK.  I
mean it's not like it was THAT bad.  I mean so you lost a few regular
posters to me, no biggie.

>>>Excuse me? 

>>The bathroom is down the hall, don't be long.

>---Restore unmarked delitia---
>>Is that yet another of your legendary backpedals I
>>see. Sure looks like it to me, "worst flamer" and "biggest
>>punchbag" in alt.flame. Hmmm... don't think we actually have a
>>"biggest backpedal" catagory... yet.  
>---end---
>
>No comment on that little lot, huh?

I believe I already commented on yer last line of defense, I didn't
see the need to make you look even more stupid  by pointing out the
fact that you keep using it over and over again like it's making you a
better flamer or something.

>>>You like to use forgery to attempt to prove your points from
>>>time to time, do you?

>>You don't have to have a point to have a point.

>You could try answering the odd question once in a while, ya
>know... it won't kill you.

Why would I want to?  I don't care about you Julie, don't you get that
yet?  It's just about forcing you into perpetual motion, nothing more.

>>but they do the job done...and
>>much quicker.  Take Hannigan for example, nobody can get at him like I
>>can.

>[WOS] doesn't talk to me anymore. Even before the [WOS] he
>avoided me like the plague. See, he claimed he was going to
>spank me, only he said it behind my back in email to someone
>else and when I found out about it, he wished he'd never made
>the claim in the first place. Another one who writes cheques
>he can't cash. Strictly third division, just like you. 

>As for your methods, it's just random noise, rather like
>Howard Stern's radio ploys, lots of handwaving and very little
>substance. It doesn't fool me, but then perhaps my perception
>runs a little deeper than most folks around here.

The Howard Stern of Usenet....LOL, I like that.

>>I'm just playin with ya, try not to take it so seriously.

>If I start taking things seriously, you'll be gone from here
>for good. Ask around amongst your new found friends if you
>don't believe me as to just what I'm capable of when irked.

Oh I'm sure you can be quite the little 2 year old when the right
button is pushed.  `, )

>>>>I'm pretty sure though that Spooge isn't going to though, 
>>>>can you guess why?

>>>I can neither guess why, or care why as it's not something I
>>>want or requested in the first place, as you know only too
>>>well. So let the record show *you* are the one trying to drag
>>>Spooge into the mix and that's something you can sort out with
>>>him as quite frankly, it's a pretty pathetic thing to do in my
>>>opinion.

>>No I am the one trying to drag Iceknife into the stew, pay more
>>attention.

>So you really want his help then?

No, no Stupid, I want him to flame against me.  See flaming isn't much
of a challenge to me unless I have at least 20 or so people going
against me at once.  Otherwise it's just boring and easy.

>>>You know, that new categories's looking more and more like
>>>something you could make your own practically by the second.

>>Always so easily trolled Jules, you really should try harder.

>That's your trouble isn't it? Every time you fuck up you just
>brush it off as a trolling you've inflicted on someone. You
>seriously think anyone other than you see's it like that, do
>you?

The only people who don't see it as trolling are the people who are
inflicted and wanna try saving face.  It's YOU that's doing the
backpedal, sidestep routine Julie, not me.  Mind you I could start
posting control messages to a isolated group that explains what I'm
doing in advance, but then I'm sure you'd be able to come up with a
brand new excuse to save face.

>>>>>That's your biggest problem, your ego writes checks your
>>>>>writing can't cash, fuckbag...  
>>
>>>>Oh gee, that was original oh mast3r (f)l@mer.
>>
>>>Sure appears to have you hot around the collar... guess it hit
>>>the mark, huh.
>>
>>Isn't it funny how you claim I'm the worst flamer when it's obvious
>>that your judgement is impaired.

>Not just me either is it?

>"Worst flamer of the year"
>"Biggest punchbag"
>"Worst newbie"
>"Most boring writer".
>
>Now tell me all those folks are spankards again so I can laugh
>at you.  

Which people?  So far the only people who have even admitted to voting
for me have been Vic & Prick.  I mean certainly you aren't so lame
that you actually think Vic & Prick are in a position to be voting on
such awards?  As for the other 10, well, who are they?  I mean I've
asked that question in AF on many occasions and even gone so far as to
change my nic in case they filtered me (of course we both know they
didn't) and the funny thing about it is...no one ever speaks up.  Well
except for Vic & Prick.  I mean don't get me wrong, I'm sure yer
Florida style of voting is completely flawless, it's just that I sorta
wonder why all these people are so fuckin afraid to speak up about it.
I mean if I'm such a piss poor flamer and 'best punching bag' you'd
think the little ticks would be jumping all over the opportunity.
Damn, had to go and make ya look stupid again, huh Julie?

>>>>Sure I use Malkavian on occasion and I do have a several very nice 
>>>>bots (Harlequin, Sid, Washuu), but for the most part I always use 
>>>>my Mad Hatter nick.

>>>Suuuure you do... these 100,000 posts at Deja you appear so
>>>proud of for some reason. How many of them are under the nyms
>>>that you've named above? Think carefully before you answer
>>>this one.

>>There are 100,000 posts under my Mad Hatter nic alone.

>No there aren't. 

Yes, there are.

>Best I can do, however I search is come up
>with almost 11,000, so that looks like yet another 'tall
>story' to me. Course you can always explain your search method
>for the class...

And what are you searching with Stupid?  I'll post a link when Google
figures themselves the fuck out, until then you'll have to wait.
Although it's old news, I posted proof of the matter on a variety of
occasions before Google took over Deja.  Actually though of the 98,000
or so a good 4,000 or so are remnants of the original Mad Hatter, and
about another 2,000 or so are from other people using variations of
the nyme.

>>>>>>Then I'll be glad to share one of mine.  Perhaps my more
>>>>>>recent one between Nightsparrow, Stevie, and Pinball, I slammed the
>>>>>>fuck out of them with over 500 poasts in less than 24 hours, don't ya
>>>>>>remember that Julie Baby?  Or did you have yer head buried in the
>>>>>>ground at that time, Ms. Plonk.

>>>>>Hey, if you want to post five hundred rambles in twenty four
>>>>>hours, that's your problem. Just because they didn't bother to
>>>>>do the same, that doesn't make you better than them, or mean
>>>>>that you 'slammed the fuck' out of them. 

>>>>You sure did have yer head buried in the sand.  They did try
>>>>contending against me, they output about 400 poasts all together
>>>>against me before they gave it up.  They also instigated it as well, a
>>>>group effort of alt.(f)lamenet to try and get back at me.  They
>>>>failed, it really wansn't any surprise though.

>>>As I keep saying, it's got nothing to do with how much you
>>>post, moron. You're claiming that the three of them couldn't
>>>jointly match your 500 posts in twenty four hours and that
>>>means that you "slammed the fuck" out of them. You're wrong.
>>>All you did (if you even *did* do what you claim) is post a
>>>larger quantity of messages. That does not make you any kind
>>>of winner in anyones book it just means they couldn't be
>>>bothered to match your post count.

>>You're wrong little one.  No one could have invoked that kind of
>>behavior in them as I could have.  That is where my true power lies,
>>not in my ability to post tons of messages but the ability to make
>>people RESPOND, to make them FEEL, just as I'm doing with you right
>>now.

>Heh, there's a saying for what you do and it's just returned
>to me... "crosspost crap to hell and back and you'll always
>get replies". 

And yet in other groups I've been able to cause even more damage and
chaos without crossposting.  Take that e-book newsgroup for example,
or 2600.

>>>Where did you make me look 'stupid' you moronic little twerp.
>>>I seem to have missed that bit. 

>>Of course you did.  But don't worry, no one else did.

>So produce one of these people for me. If you speak the truth
>it shouldn't be a problem... Who's going to help Hatter out
>here? Just how has he made me look silly?

Well unlike you I don't ask other people for help.  You don't actually
think anyone is reading all this, do you?  LOL, yer so stupid Julie,
you really are.

>>>>If you want an example of the power I have without crossposting look 
>>>>no further than that e-book newsgroup or 2600, I was having all sorts 
>>>>of fun in there.

>>>Just one question. If it was so much fun, why are you now over
>>>here rather than continuing with whatever brand of fuckwittery
>>>you were practicing over there...

>>Who says I've stopped?  `, )

>You did... "I *was* having all sorts of fun".

>Was, past tense... or you're still there and not having fun
>which makes you a masochist. What's it to be, Hatsy?

Nothing is currently happening, I'm still monitoring the group though.
One of the people going against me got sick, another one is having his
birthday, etc, etc.  In a couple weeks they'll probably be back to
their usual moronic state and provide me with some more entertainment.

>>>>>Were he
>>>>>to feel sufficently bored enough to care about you, I'd bet a
>>>>>whole wad of cash on him driving you off Usenet within a week
>>>>>should he so choose to do so... 

>>>>Your mouth shouldn't write checks that others asses can't cash.  I'm
>>>>sure you won't have a problem with me adding alt.slack to the group
>>>>line.  I mean at this point I'd like you to try and get all the help
>>>>you can, you're going to need it after all if you don't want to wind
>>>>up running away from me again.

>>>Again, you're assuming I want someones help to deal with you.

>>I assume nothing.

>Really? You assume that your prose is of value, you assume
>you're 'smacking the fuck' out of people and you assume that
>everyone who voted you "worst flamer" and "biggest punchbag"
>is a spankard... and that's just for starters. Whole lot of
>assumptions for someone who, "assumes nothing" if you ask me.

I don't assume, I know.

>>I am a paradox, it is not my design to make sense or to help you
>>understand.

>So you're basically admitting you're full of shit.

I'm only full of shit to the people who are fuckwitted enough to
actually take anything I say with a grain of salt.  Namely you.

>>>>>he's a lot better at this than
>>>>>you are and he doesn't have to post a gazillion messages a day
>>>>>to be more memorable than you.

>>>>I'm glad you find his ass so tasty, I don't particularly care though.
>>>>If you're so in love you can go over to alt.slack and start lickin his
>>>>ass right now.

>>>Where did I say I liked him? 

>>Well you can't seem to stop talkin about him.

>That's not what I said. Where did I say I liked him?

Where did I say that you said you liked him?  I merely implied that
you might be in love with him and pointed out why.

>>>I merely stated he's better at
>>>this than you? 

>>You give away the true nature of yourself in your question mark.

>Typo, shit happens.

If you say so.

>>>As for whether I like him, that's really none
>>>of your business, is it? 

>>Everything is my business.

>Nothing of mine is your business you nasty little goon. I'd
>hazard plenty of other folk wouldn't like you sticking your
>nose into their business either. Looks like another good
>reason to get off the good ship petitmorte to me. Everyone
>hates a busybody with his nose permanently in other peoples
>business.

I know you don't like me being in control and knowing everything about
you...but then there's nothing you can do about it so I guess you best
learn to just fuckin deal.

>>>I know lots of folk who are better at
>>>this than you, a lot of them I don't particuarly like. So
>>>please explain how me saying Iceknife is better than you
>>>equates to me liking him. Especially as I know for a fact he
>>>dislikes me and what I stand for.

>>You like him little one, let's just leave it at that.

>No, lets not leave

Now, now, don't argue with your master.

>>>>Well, that's too bad...for you.

>>>I rather think it's you that has the problem here. 

>>Not at all.

>>>I'm not the
>>>one who can't walk away when you bore me sufficently, "worst
>>>flamer" and "biggest punchbag".

>>You keep using that lame over and over again. 

>Sure I do, because it hits the mark every time, hence it's not
>a lame, just the truth and that hurts you badly.

The truth is that other than Vic & Prick you can't find anyone else to
admit to voting for me.  Funny thing that.  I guess reality is a bit
tough for a spankard like you to deal with.

-Mad Hatter

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