-=> Quoting Paul Sayan to Michael Martinez <=-
 MM> So you just want to give up?  Give up before even starting ...  Not 
 MM> make an attempt to find out what Illich is saying in full, by readin
 MM> books?  I mean, not even *do* anything, just ignore it?
 MM> We *can't* get people to agree on what our problems are, is that wha
 MM> saying?  Then how can we get 50 million adults to agree that it's th
 MM> right thing to vote for one specific man for president? 
 PS> 
 PS> Actually, from what I have read of your postings, I believe him to be 
 PS> quite alike with the works of Karl Marx.  So, ya, I do want to give up
 PS> and not read Ivan's book.
 PS> 
Actually he doesn't agree or approve of Marxism.  There's a passage in
one of these books where he speaks of his opposition to him.
-michael
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