-=> Quoting JEAN PARROT to BEN CARPENTER <=-

 JP> Hello Ben, ' tis a nice day today. 
 
 -=> Quoting Nancy Backus to Bruce Clark <=-
 
 NB> Interesting...  I can use Zmodem to download anything from a telnet
 NB> bbs, but nothing* but kermit has worked for uploads.  I keep hoping
 NB> that someone has figured out a way for Zmodem to work for telnet
 NB> uploads when strictly in DOS, but it doesn't appear that that will be
 NB> the case... 

 JP> You did a PMFJI on this. I use Zoc as a Terminal PRG and it does fine
 JP> both Up & Down with Z-Modem on Telnet.

 JP> This brings a question to my mind. Are we still using these protocols
 JP> when on Telnet ? Or are these Protocols only neccessary when on DUN ?
 JP> To me Telnet is quite different and to top it all here I telnet on
 JP> cable. So many questions still !

 Jean

 What is PMFJI?

 Is Zoc a DOS or WIN program?  Can it also be used to do DIALUP?

 Yes you are using these protocols when you telnet to a BBS.  When
 connecting to a BBS the only difference between telnet and dialup is
 how it gets from your computer to the BBS computer. When you use telnet
 it makes no difference on how you connect with the internet (cable,
 dialup, DSL, wireless).  Once on the net you can use anyone of several
 type of clients to do thing on the net (ie: E-Mail client, web browser,
 FTP client, Telnet client, etc).  Most BBS software has some sort of
 node or connection point where people can connect to the BBS.  When
 they first started out these connection points were modems that users
 dialed into.  Now they can be both modems and telnet connection points,
 but they work the same just get their connection from a different
 place.

 When people Telnet to a BBS and have file transfer problems (both up
 and down but more up) is that they are using a telnet client that is
 not designed to do file transfers.  When using a program that is
 designed as a comm program that has as one of it's connection devices
 telnet then file transfer goes much better.  As I think I mentioned in
 the note to Nancy, Telnet first started out as a way to control a
 remote computer and file transfer was not considered therefore not
 included or a poor implementation. As telnet begin to be used to
 connect to BBS's some telnet clients were upgraded to include file
 transfer and others were not, while some do a better job of down
 loading than up loading.  Also some of the Comm programs were upgraded
 to include a telnet connection device to use in place of a dialup
 connection device.

... Ben    

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