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to: FRED AUSTIN
from: IVY IVERSON
date: 1998-01-28 19:56:00
subject: [1/2] Genuine?

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-=> On 01-25-98  00:00, Fred Austin said to Ivy Iverson,<=-
-=>"About [1/2] Genuine?...,"<=-
-=> Quoting Ivy Iverson to Fred Austin <=-
 -=> On 01-18-98  00:21, Fred Austin said to Ivy Iverson,<=-
 -=>"About Genuine?...,"<=-
 -=> Quoting Ivy Iverson to Fred Austin <=-
 
Hi, Fred;
 
 FA> As for telling genuine
 FA> from fake, that could be difficult unless there is something about
 FA> the properties of the material in question that is beyond our means
 FA> to construct, and that is left up to the scrutiny of physicists
 FA> etc....
 II> There was one strange thing mentioned by the alleged eye witnesses
 II> about that beam: It had very light weight... (a couple of ounces?) 
 II> From the sound of it, it weighed less than aluminum, titanium or any
 II> other metals or alloys, more like balsa wood, yet it had great
 II> strength.  And then there was "foil," that could be easily wadded up,
 II> and "unwadded" itself without so much as a wrinkle.  That almost sounds
 II> like some of the modern plastics... 50 years later.   Hmmm...
 
 FA> This concerns the Roswell fragments no doubt.
 
Correct.
 
 FA> My only thought
 FA> really on this is we as the public are not always aware of new
 FA> materials.
 
Quite true, however one would THINK that after over 50 years, we would
see similar materials in production in consumer products, nowever this
does not seem to be the case.
 
 FA> Perhaps this material was new, poly-rubber compound with
 FA> the mentioned properties. And that does sound like what would be used
 FA> in a balloon.  All light weight materials. As described by the
 FA> accounts.
 
Of course, however anything connected with a baloon would not require a
lot of strength, (balsa wood and heavy cord should be sufficent for jsut
about anything, and a hard landing would certainly be disasterous for
such a device), however the alleged witnesses said they could neither
bend nor break it.  If it were some kind of rubber material, it would
have been bendable, I would think, and it certainly wouldn't have the
metallic appearance described.  Also, it FELT like metal, according to
descriptions.  Rubber, plastic and similar materials most certainly do
NOT look _OR_ FEEL like metal!
 
 FA> The foil may have been a rubber with a tin foil type
 FA> covering etc, and does unfold etc..
 
I have held, folded and wadded plastic similar to what was described,
complete with metallic coating, (thin enough to shine a bright light
through), and while it does tend to unfold, it DOES show crease lines
when it unfolds.  If it were from OUR technology, I would think that
they would have started using such a material in consumer products,
such as the bags which food is sold in, in a lot less than 50 years!
 
 FA> The lightweight of everything
 FA> for example I find retracts from a story of a spacecraft per se, I
 FA> would think metal is still metal, by physics at least, and should
 FA> serve in the construction of a vehicle. Yet these materials were
 FA> tossed into the trunk of a car etc.. No problem handling it.
 
This doesn't surprise me!  If a light airplane, such as a Cessna 150 were
to crash, it would be a simple matter to pick up pieces and throw them
into the trunk of a car.  Remember, most of it was loaded onto a truck,
covered with a tarp, and trucked to an AAF, (now USAF), base to be flown
to... wherever.  And it was under armed guard all the way!  It was only
small pieces of the wreckage, like you would find in the vicinity of a
small plane crash, that went into the car's trunk.
 
 FA> Of course I could say perhaps this was only a small piece, and the
 FA> rest of the craft etc, crashed (allegedly) somewhere else, which
 FA> actually has been added to the story via a Mr. Kaufman. I am not a
 FA> big supporter of Roswell, as interesting and fascinating as it
 FA> sounds, I find it has too many loopholes, and wrong behavior for an
 FA> incident that if real would have certainly gotten really out of
 FA> hand.... 
 
IMO, the Pentigon was VERY worried about just that!  And they responded
very quickly and forcefully!  The radio local station was told that if
they said ONE WORD about it they would be off the air...INSTANTLY!
Family members of witnesses were told in so many words that if they ever
breathed a word about what they "knew"... "The desert is a big place, and
nobody will ever find your bones..."  That sounds to me like Uncle Sam
was pretty darn worried about SOMETHING!
 
 FA> ..., in theory all things could be possible, but let us just
 FA> say, that it is currently doubtful that element 115 could exist or
 FA> does exist.
 II> Could exist? Possible. Does exist, (natural OR made by technology)?
 II> I wouldn't disregard the possibility. Who knows what comes out of a
 II> star going super-Nova? Or is there a limit to the size of a black
 II> hole... what happens/is produced when one of them blows up or whatever
 II> happens if/when they can no longer remain blask holes... if they ever
 II> end? For that matter, by definition, NOTHING escapes a B.H., but jets
 II> of material do escape out the poles... Could these jets contain super-
 II> heavy elements? These are questions that we can only theorize the
 II> answers to... for now. But in 1,000 years? Or another technology?
 FA> 
 FA> There are always possibilities, science progresses  in
 FA> many directions. On the practical side, one may never find out
 FA> concerning the above as one may not survive being near such a space
 FA> event as a super nova.
 
True, chances are that if anyone were closer to a Super Nova than the
orbit of Pluto would probably become just some more space junk, however
if a ship were to go into the resulting cloud, they MAY find some
superheavy materials, possibly including element 115.  They may also
find different forms of known elements with completely different
properties than what we know.  For example, we think of common carbon as
either soot from a chimney or the rods used for the positive electrode
in the old zinc-carbon flashlight batteries, however there are several
different forms of carbon, each with different atomic weights, and forming
 
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