bluesmama wrote:
> cv wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:51:29 -0800, bluesmama wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > cv wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:49:35 -0800, bluesmama wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > cv wrote:
> > >> >> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:01:37 -0800, bluesmama wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Hardpan wrote:
> > >> >> >> THE RULES
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > This is undoubtedly one of the saddest
things I've ever
read.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I take it that you haven't heard of the
bestseller "The
Rules"
> by
> > >> > Ellen
> > >> >> Fein, Sherrie Schneider? This book set the ball
rolling by
> > > promising
> > >> > to
> > >> >> teach women the power-play needed to snag a
man. Or were you
> less
> > >> > saddened
> > >> >> by that?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Besides, women's magazines are overflowing with tricks to
hook
> > > guys,
> > >> > are
> > >> >> you saddened by that too?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Life is
> > >> >> > short, and uncertain, and there's no
guarantee that there's
> > >> > anything
> > >> >> > beyond this life -- so to spend precious
time on such
> bitterness
> > > is
> > >> >> > such a terrible waste of time and energy.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Check out alt.seduction.fast or
www.fastseduction.com. These
> guys
> > > are
> > >> >> busy refining their "rules" and are
delighted with the
results.
> > > They
> > >> > are
> > >> >> not bitter in the least. This stuff works very well,
> apparently,
> > >> > which is
> > >> >> quite a commentary on the modern western woman.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Weren't you of the opinion that women were not
responsible
for
> > > taking
> > >> >> advantage of men's chivalry? Isn't it ironic
that a person
such
> as
> > >> > you
> > >> >> should feel sad on reading a few "rules"?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -CV
> > >> >
> > >> > Whether it's bitterness by women aimed at men, at other women
or
> at
> > >> > themselves - or bitterness by men aimed at women,
at other men
> or
> > > at
> > >> > themselves -- it's always sad.
> > >>
> > >> But these guys are hardly bitter, if anything they are relieved
> and
> > >> excited. Whatever bitterness they do exhibit is limited to their
> past
> > >> experiences as nice-guys who were taken advantage of.
> > >>
> > >> Besides, women's magazines are dripping with "relationship
> advice",
> > > would
> > >> you also describe them as dripping with bitterness? That would
> make a
> > >> large population of western women bitter with men.
> > >>
> > >> I think you have this whole bitterness thing wrong.
> > >>
> > >> -CV
> > >
> > > You seem to have a problem with an assertion central to most of
my
> > > posts, that men and women are both capable of the best and the
> worst.
> > >
> > > These guys either are or aren't bitter - your first two sentences
> seem
> > > to contradict each other, because they can't be both. They may
> > > certainly be bitter in addition to other things, such as relieved
> and
> > > excited (at the thought of all those cowed women they'll soon be
> > > bedding)
> >
> > Parenthetically, women excel at emotional cowing. Men, as a group,
> can't
> > hold a candle to women, as a group, in this regard.
> >
> > -CV
> >
>
> I'll agree there, but ask you - do you think women excel at emotional
> forms of control because that's what works, and also because they
can't
> compete (mostly) with how men can use physical forms of control? That
> both genders use controlling techniques, and that they only differ in
> form?

Part of it is that such people commonly use such techniques (or at
least begin and learn) against people close to them in their
lives who can't easily walk away: Their siblings, parents, children,
boyfriends, close friends, etc.

In other words, emotional control works similar to hypnotism:
when the subject has already give up voluntary control.

Unfortunately, this type of control doesn't work well against
people who don't have a serious motivation to stick around:
Men who are marginally attracted to them, their OLDER siblings,
their OLDER children, their distant friends.  Get the picture?

regards,
Mark Sobolewski



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