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to: KEITH KNAPP
from: LARRY GAULT
date: 1998-01-24 10:18:00
subject: Re: Religious costs.

LG>KK> Interestingly, one way the creationists have been trying to get
LG>KK> creationism taught in science classes is by arguing that 'scientism'
LG>KK> and 'humanism' are religions and therefore on a par with creationism.
LG>KK> If you are planning on using the above dictionary definition as an
LG>KK> authority, you might want to note that according to it, nothing in
LG>KK> science or humanism is religion.
LG> And interestingly enough, in Funk and Wagnalls Standard Desk Dictionary,
LG> humanism is defined as "a system or attitude in thought, religion, etc.,
LG> in which human ideals and the perfection of personality are made 
ntral".
KK> It could be argued that the development of human political thought
KK> over the last 10,000 years is the development of the concept of
KK> the individual.  People in many Stone-Age tribes of today do not
KK> feel themselves to be individuals but rather fractions of the tribe.
KK> In that sense, the US Constitution is the greatest and also the
KK> most radical document in human history, becuase it defines
KK> government as the consent of the governed, or the will of the
 KK> people.  AFAIK it is the first document in history to state that
KK> Government does not inhere in a father-figure or an alpha male.
We now at least know that you know how to keep your rope lighted and drawing
well.
You posted that "nothing in...humanism is religion". I merely pointed out
to you before you went into *this* rambling piece of work that the 
dictionary definition of humnanism is a "system of...religion". See it went 
quite over your head.
KK> So we're all revolutionaries, really.
Don't know about you. Me, I've never quibbled with that label.
LG> Now how could anyone equate *that* with a religion?
KK> Disoportunadamente, we humans seem to have the ability to make
KK> an ideology (religion) out of whatever belief we absorbed at
KK> the age of about 4 or 5.  After that, we don't think it's
KK> 'religion' or 'belief,' we think it's 'reality.'
And I think you took yet another toke on the rope. The above was (though
admittedly of a mild nature) sarcasm. Guess it was lost on you.
As were you ramblings lost on me. Try to follow the subject line, Keith.
Makes it easier to hold a conversation.
Direct to you from the keyboard of Larry Gault...
      
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