From: Robert 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:12:55 GMT, Free Lunch  wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:50:52 -0800, in alt.atheism
>Robert  wrote in
>:
>>On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:44:55 GMT, Free Lunch 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:42:51 -0800, in alt.atheism
>>>Robert  wrote in
>>>:
>>>>On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 01:39:09 GMT, Free Lunch

>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:43:30 -0800, in alt.atheism
>>>>>Robert  wrote in
>>>>>:
>>>>>>On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:07:08 GMT,
"Smiler" 
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not entirely correct. ( Apart from some
bloody minded fanatics who are
>>>>>>>> wrong)
>>>>>>>> The Church teaches that the use of condoms
as a means of contraception
is
>>>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>>> The church also teaches that in matters of
morality everyone must
first
>>>>>>>> and foremost obey his or her conscience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But in the eyes of the RCC, condom use is still wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Correct, because sex as entertainment is wrong. Sex is for
>>>>>>conception. The only moral and effective means of
avoiding a unwanted
>>>>>>pregnancy is abstinence, which also avoids STDS.
STDS and unwanted
>>>>>>pregnancies are Gods punishment for having sex, to
entertain your
>>>>>>self. Sex is always wrong unless a husband wants
his wife to have a
>>>>>>child.

To clarify for the understanding, and reading comprehension impaired.
  The above is a attempt to explain the Catholic attitude toward sex.

>>>>>
>>>>>Really? Does that apply to all organisms that reproduce sexually?
>>>>>
>>>>Do any other organisms that reproduce sexually, use contraception, or
>>>>have medically induced abortions?
>>>
>>>So you have changed the question when your original statement was
>>>identified as foolish.
>>>
>>  Nope just pointing out that the question was stupid. Since no other
>>organism, practices birth control.
>
>But _birth control_ wasn't the question. Sex as entertainment was and we
>know that humans are not the only species that use sex for
>entertainment.
>
   No the question was, is sex for entertainment a sin. We are the
only species that practice birth control. Which concludes that sex is often
for entertainment. With out birth control, no action is taken to prevent
conception.

The Catholic consider condom use a sin, because it prevents conception. The
only valid reason for sex.

>>>>>You are awefully self-righteous. We know that Jesus
condemned that, so
>>>>>it appears that you are not a follower of Jesus.
>>>>
>>>>That is correct I am not a follower of Jesus or any other deity
>>>>created by men.
>>>
>>>There is no evidence that there are any deities that actually exist. All
>>>appear to be created by men.
>>>
>>  And I worship none of them. Clues for sale cheap, my e-mail addy is
>>valid.
>>
>>>>  I simply explained the concept, of Christianity, and any other
>>>>stupid religion that consider sex, without any desire to conceive as
>>>>sinful. Not that I indicated no desire of the woman to have
a child is
>>>>needed, only the desire of the husband counts. The woman has no say,
>>>>her duty is to provide a child if her husband wants one.
>>>>  BTW homosexual sex, is not really sex, it's masturbation,
which is a
>>>>sin. Onanism. And engaged in for personal entertainment, is sinful.
>>>
>>>Good luck facing reality.
>>
>>I have faced reality, religion is a crock of shit. If you had a brain
>>you could see that I explain the real position of the Christian
>>religion.

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