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to: stumper
from: Attila
date: 2007-03-27 22:54:06
subject: Re: God is everything.

From: Attila 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:42:12 -0400, stumper 
in alt.abortion with message-id
 wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:56:01 -0400, stumper  in
>> alt.abortion with message-id
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:46:11 -0400, stumper
 in
>>>> alt.abortion with message-id
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:47:08 -0400, stumper
 in
>>>>>> alt.abortion with message-id
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:21:14 -0400,
stumper  in
>>>>>>>> alt.abortion with message-id
>>>>>>>>
 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:07:55
-0400, stumper 
in
>>>>>>>>>> alt.abortion with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>
 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper 
 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> God does not have to
have any physical characteristics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's probably what
it means when they say "God is a spirit."
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am always entertained
when people make assertions about the
nature
>>>>>>>>>>>> of a supposedly infinite
being that they've never seen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> God is everything there ever
was, is, and will be.
>>>>>>>>>> Prove any god is anything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or even exists.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does such God exist?
>>>>>>>>>>> Is it even meaningful to ask
>>>>>>>>>>> whether such God exists or not?
>>>>>>>>>> It is always meaningful to ask if
anything exists.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> God exists by definition
>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> just like the universe.
>>>>>>>> Still wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many modes of existence are you willing to accept?
>>>>>> One.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That must be your head.
>>>>> How about numbers?
>>>>> How about ideas?
>>>>> How about money?
>>>>> How about your government?
>>>> All irrelevant as far as the subject is concerned.
>>>>
>>>>> Have you heard of the kingdom of God?
>>>> Prove any god exists.
>>>>
>>> What makes you think
>>> you get to dictate
>>> how God should exist?
>>
>> Existence is existence, and if something actually exists there should
>> be proof of that existence.
>>
>>> How God should exist?
>>>
>>> Like a chair?
>>> Like an animal?
>>> Like a star?
>>> Like a cloud?
>>
>> Yes.  And there is proof for all of those things.
>>
>
>What are clouds?
>Can you count them?

Irrelevant.  The subject is not clouds.

>
>How about these modes of existence.
>
>Like a number.
>Like a melody.
>Like a word.
>Like a language.
>Like a memory.
>Like my mind.
>Like my self.
>Like a society.
>Like your government.
>
>Are they all same or different?

Irrelevant.

The only subject is your failure to prove any god exists.

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