From: Darrell Stec 

After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 27 March 2007 3:42 pm
Patriot Games perhaps from Crazy_Bastard{at}Yahoo.com wrote:

> "Darrell Stec"  wrote
in message
> news:56s2nuF2anoqrU1{at}mid.individual.net...
>> After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 26 March 2007 5:01 pm
>> Patriot Games perhaps from Crazy_Bastard{at}Yahoo.com wrote:
>>> "Darrell Stec"
 wrote in message
>>> news:56qjpcF2a0s3hU1{at}mid.individual.net...
>>>> After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 26 March 2007 11:01
>>>> am Patriot Games perhaps from Crazy_Bastard{at}Yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> "Darrell Stec"
 wrote in message
>>>>> news:56o7a9F2310meU2{at}mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 25
March 2007
>>>>>> 2:13 pm Patriot Games perhaps from
Crazy_Bastard{at}Yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>> "Jeff North"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:0ovb039l18tiqolj21a7ao3lpilu2q8odl{at}4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:24:21 GMT, in
alt.politics.homosexuality
>>>>>>>> "Patriot Games"

>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>| "Dionisio"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>|
news:4604983c$0$24755$4c368faf{at}roadrunner.com...
>>>>>>>>>| > Patriot Games wrote:
>>>>>>>>>| >> "Dionisio"
 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>| >>>Patriot Games wrote:
>>>>>>>>>| >>>>Show where Lott
committed incest....
>>>>>>>>>| >>>Such a
"Christian" you are! Don't even know the Bible?
>>>>>>>>>| >> Of course I know it...
>>>>>>>>>| > And yet you asked the question...
>>>>>>>>>| Because I KNEW Lott DIDN'T commit incest....
>>>>>>>> American Heritage New Dictionary of
Cultural Literacy, Third
>>>>>>>> Edition incest
>>>>>>>> Sexual relations between relatives who are
forbidden by law to
>>>>>>>> marry; for example, between father and
daughter or mother and
>>>>>>>> son.
>>>>>>>>>| I always prefer to have a liar out
themselves by they
>>>>>>>>>| themselves posting that which traps them....
>>>>>>> He was unconscious.  Physically immobile.  He
was raped.  He
>>>>>>> therefore
>>>>>>> didn't commit incest.  However, it was committed to him.
>>>>>> If he was inebriated enough to be unconscious, how
did he get an
>>>>>> erection?
>>>>> I'm not a doctor.
>>>> You are not much of anything.  You could ask almost any woman (if
>>>> you could get any to talk to you) who had experience with a man so
>>>> drunk he was unconscious.
>>> So you claim they never raped him?
>>> They just thought they did.
>>>>> Guess you never woke up in the middle of the night
>>>>> with a boner...
>>>> Not under the condition that I was so drunk I was unconscious.
>>>>> Be patient, puberty will find you soon enough.
>>>>>> That part was a bit of scribal rewrite to eliminate
>>>>>> embarrassment.
>>>>> Proof?
>>>> One only needs to read the Hittite stories from which this one was
>>>> borrowed.  Or maybe get an education in biblical criticism or
>>>> scholarship.  It has been commonly considered a scribal rewrite by
>>>> biblical scholars for several hundred years now.  Actually it has
>>>> been questioned all the way back to the Early Christian fathers and
>>>> even Jewish scholars predating the New Testament.
>>>>>> Either he was conscious and knew what he was doing, or
>>>>>> he was drunk and never had an erection in the
first place.  My
>>>>>> vote is on the former
>>>>> Feel free to believe anything you want.
>>>> We which was it?  Was he so drunk that he didn't know what he was
>>>> doing? In that case, how did he maintain an erection (twice)?
>>> How would I know, I wasn't there, I didn't write the story...
>> But you belive it.  So explain it.  Explain why you believe it.
>
> The story says what it says.  That's pretty simple.  If you want to
> factually refute the story then cite a reference PROVING it is
> physically impossible to have an erection while unconscious.
>
>>>>> But remember, God told you to stop sucking dicks.
>>> So you're claiming that the other fags were all LYING when they said
>>> Lott committed incest?
>> I don't understand your question.  You don't understand your bible.
>> Nobody lied when they said Lot committed incest.
>
> Of course they lied.  If one is unconscious then one can't "commit"
> anything.
>
>> The biblical scribes
>> lied when they said Lot was too drunk to know what he was doing yet
>> had an erection and had intercourse twice.
>
> Your proof?
>

Proof of what?  Either he had an erection and therefore aware of his
environment, or he was in a drunken stupor, unconscious as you claim. In
that case it is physically impossible to have an erection.  I don't even
think Viagra or Cialis would help.


>> As to whether those scribes
>> might be homosexual, we just don't know.  In fact we don't know any
>> author of any book of the bible.  All are anonymous.
>
> Mathew, Mark, Luke, John.  All anonymous?

Yes.  Those names do not appear on the early manuscripts.  Nor do any
gospels give the name of their authors.  This is uncontested among biblical
scholars.  In fact it wasn't until 194 CE that there was any mention of all
four gospels with names attached.  And even then the only real evidence we
have about what those earlier Christian writers said is provided by quotes
from Eusebius in the fourth century CE.

The gospels were not written until at least after 134 CE and there is no
evidence that any of the epistles were either.  One glaring indication is
that the Pauline epistles and the gospels quote Greek Septuagint passages
that we know were not written until after the first century CE.  Josephus
tells us and so do a few of the Early Church fathers, and it is back up by
the lack of such Greek translation of the Old Testament except for the
Pentateuch among the Dead Sea Scroll collection.


>
>> To reiterate -- the scribes lied.  They even changed the story from
>> the original.
>
> Proof?

What do you mean by proof?  It is evident the scribes lied.  Any male that
has gotten dead drunk to the point of passing out can attested to the fact
that erection is impossible under those conditions.  And so too can any
woman who has been with a man under those conditions.

As far as what changed, you wouldn't understand.  You already admitted you
have no familiarity with those ancient languages.  But you might glean an
understanding by reading any good scholarly text on the origins of the
biblical stories and the cultures and stories from which they derive.

--
Later,
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