-=> Quoting Ed Koon to Nancy Backus on 03-13-04  22:47 <=-

 NB> Do you know why it doesn't support QWK?  (Seems strange to me... also, I
 NB> thought that was what some other boards are using, with QWK, but I could
 NB> be mistaken.)

 EK> Thinking back to the good old days and doing some reminiscing, I
 EK> remember the wildcat version 5 release. Think it was 1997 or 1998,
 EK> Anyway Wildcat BBS Software has always used a door for netmail. With
 EK> WC4 we had a choice of several front end mailers, Most sysops used
 EK> Wildmail by Joe (cant remember last name) We all cursed it but.. And
 EK> there was Platinum Xpress by Hector Santos, not the most popular but
 EK> it worked well.

Was this the same for the echomail, or just the netmail itself?

 EK> From what i understand when WC5 was released most third party
 EK> programmers were not ready with the exception of Hector Santos. So if
 EK> you were running WC5 you were stuck with PXW for the mail tosser.
 EK> Meanwhile Mustang Software (MSI) the once popular Wildcat bbs software
 EK> company started going under and the program had lots of features that
 EK> were never ported over from the WC4 days, One being a
 EK> netmail door. Hector Santos whipped one up that would work with his
 EK> OPX Packet style Offline Reader Silver Xpress.

Again, this sounds like it impacted all of the Fido mail, for the echoes
as well as the netmail whether routed or direct?

 EK> About this time sysops were finding out that WC5 like night and day
 EK> from WC4 would need a ton of ram and a fast cpu to run on, And Windows
 EK> 95 was the only os it would operate on was as buggy as WC5!
 EK> A lot has changed since those days, Hector Santos bought the rights to
 EK> WC5 from
 EK> Mustang and has done a fine job of improving it. Except enhancements
 EK> have been directed towards internet users, Now called Winserver the
 EK> package is intended for isp's and corporations needing a web solution
 EK> that supports http, email, ftp, and user accts. Hector last updated the
 EK> front end and mail tosser in 06/2000 and no further ftsc development is
 EK> being done. 

So this is all about how the mail is tossed to be sent out?

 EK> There are other updates to Winserver available but nothing that will
 EK> fix the netmail problem. And we run a 3rd party program by Earl Borah
 EK> called web messaging pro which enhanced the Web interface of the bbs
 EK> and added the QWK by web browser option, It is no longer being
 EK> developed either. So here we are :) 

OK.  I'm still not sure how all this answered my original question about
QWK being supported...  But perhaps that's partly my fault, as I didn't
explicitly ask in what way QWK wasn't supported.  If I understand this
correctly, it would appear that the only way qwk would work on the bbs
would be if one were coming in via the web as opposed to via telnet. 
Which is obviously not the case, as I and Jean come in via telnet, and
the qwk works just fine for regular (ie local or echo) messages.  So I'm
still a bit confused... :)

PX and SX are/were both maildoor/reader systems, with their own
propietary packet setups, just like Bluewave is/was, right?  I know that
George Hatchew built in a certain amount of qwk support into BW; are you
saying that Hector didn't do any of that for SX/PX?

Netmail compatibility for qwk packets wasn't fully built into BW,
though.  So I learned to put the net/node address on the first line of
the message for the tosser to pick up on.  Each bbs software had a
different form that that needed to go into, of course... :)  If one was
making native BW messages to go into a BW door, the addresses all went
into the header as one would have expected.

 EK> Doc's Place is running on my home network connected by cable modem. It
 EK> has its own dedicated Pentium 1.8 GHZ computer with a Gig of ram.
 EK> Running under Windows 2k Professional. It stays up for weeks at a time
 EK> without a re-boot. It has came a long way since the early days..

 EK> Who ever thought the BBS Scene would still be around these days?

Some of us couldn't imagine the world without it, still... :)  I've been
actively bbs'ing (as a user, not a sysop) since the early 1990's.  My
then teenage son talked me into trying it out, using my interest in
genealogy as the hook.  One of my early sysops pressed Zmodem and
Bluewave on me, and I was off and running...    Been a user on many
different kinds of bbs software over the years... Maximus, Telegard,
Renegade, PCBoard, Wildcat, Synchronet, TBBS, EleBBS... and more that I
don't even remember their names.  :)

ttyl         neb

... Wanna be considered special? Visit a BBS.  Inet is for the rest.

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