On 01-18-98 David Martorana wrote to John Boone... 
 
        Hello David, 
  
 DM> JB> I disagree with Frank's position.  It is Frank's postion that 
 DM> JB> because we can't know the "ultimate truth", there are no "wins or 
 DM> JB> loses."  I do tend to agree, however, I separate this out from, 
 DM> JB> "loses."  IOW, the basis of true dialogue is to -lose or not 
 DM> JB> lose- 
 DM> JB> a debate.  Please notice, this is different than -WIN or LOSE-. 
    
 DM>      John, "true dialog" is essentially meaningless, it is good 
 
  Perhaps, it depends upon the defintion of true dialogue. . 
  
 DM>      dialog that we might prize; and when it comes into being, both 
 DM>      sides tend to recognize it as if the chemistry smiles. Most of 
 DM>      the time we have to accept something some less but usually to 
 DM>      learn from or teach something anyway. With some, good dialog 
 DM>      it is not possible and with others it cannot be avoided. It is 
 DM>      not so simple as just defining it "true dialog"! 
    
   Ah, I didn't define what true dialog -WAS- or -IS-, but true 
rather what it -wasn't-. 
  For example, could you have a true dialog with a KKK member 
about race?  I would hazard to guess, not.  IOW, we have 
defined what true wouldn't be through past experience but 
what true dialogue is remains to be seen. 
  
 DM> JB> This concept is borrowed from science.   What science has 
 DM> JB> allowed to us to say, is what is -not true-.  IOW, science 
 DM> JB> has said, the earth is not the center of the universe and 
 DM> JB> notice, any new theory, Coperician, Keplar, Newton, Einstein, 
 DM> JB> etc, at no point contradicts the NOTS of previous theorys, 
 DM> JB> earth is the center of the universe. 
    
 DM>      John in my younger days of ORs, NORs, ANDs, & NANDs, 
 DM>      logic was king .....In my now elder moments, all is 
 
  As is true for all those who belonged to that set we call 
"younger days."  It is the first step. 
  
 DM>      relative in a mist of "changeling" views. Now knowing 
 DM>      that knowledge bases, life experiences, and styles of 
 DM>      thinking, carry us through different strata of awareness, 
 DM>      I ever more realize the awesome difficulty of mind sharing. 
 DM>      I believe we have both taught each other, if little else, 
 DM>      some bit of patience- 
 DM>           ...............not really a bad ledge to begin from! 
 
 DM>       P.S. Maybe in a year or so we might even take up "LIBERAL" 
 DM>            & "CONSERVATIVE" again  
    
   Yep, . 
 
Take care, 
John 
 
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