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from: Barb Jernigan
date: 2003-06-20 16:30:16
subject: Re: Fem`nism

See, it's not YOU we're dissing.
We're dissing the humorless, death to opposition!, brain death to anyone
who thinks other! types -- of which every group has some.

They give the real movement a bad name -- as you can see....

=HUGS=
(and pax)

-B

On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:56:53 -0700  writes:
> Thanks! :~)) I happen to *be* one of those radical feminist types, 
> and the stuff people say about those of us who are doens't seem to 
> resemble much about me or anyone I know.  Hey, some of the BEST all 
> around, hands down no kidding GREAT PARTIES were those thrown by 
> radical-lesbian-feminist Witches.  (OH -- HEERRRREEE COME the 
> Leaping LESBIANS!!!) No sense of humor?? Geeze guys, what tree have 
> you been under for the last half century? Man, just because we want 
> you to decide to be human beings instead of jerks... Ok -- enough 
> politica. Lezlie 
> 
> >Oh WELL DONE! :))
> >really!
> >
> >> Lezlie's Short Treatise n Feminism
> >>
> >> There was a time when the problem of women was that women 
> insisted upon
> >not
> >> Doing What Was Expected, or conversely, What Was Expected.  Who 
> expected
> >this,
> >> you might ask? A non-gendered overarching Eminence called 
> Tradition -- or,
> >> sometimes, Society. Women were alternately praised and condemned 
> for their
> >> conformity or non-conformity for several centuries.  Tradition 
> and
> >Expectations
> >> changed over the centuries; it is to be mentioned, for both men 
> and women.
> >One
> >> day, in the early 1960s, someone (it was a woman) noticed that 
> the
> >Traditions
> >> and Expectations of women (and, men) were changing once again and 
> there
> >were
> >> those who hated it and those who praised it. Unfortunately, there 
> were
> >also
> >> those who misrepresented the following decades of upheaval to 
> include a
> >Great
> >> Deal of Nonsense and Unrelated Matter. What was this feminism? 
> Primarily,
> >it
> >> was a civil rights movement that built upon the decades before 
> the World
> >Wars
> >> when it was called "suffrage".  A lot of material
was generated 
> in
> >literature
> >> and scholarly works called "feminist theory" that
critiqued a Lot 
> of
> >Stuff.
> >> Some of it was very technical (as in psychoanalysis); some legal, 
> (as in
> >the
> >> modernization of the divorce and property ownership laws); some 
> had to do
> >with
> >> more slippery topics like media representations and reviews of 
> cultural
> >> expectations. Some was silly, some valuable, and some will have 
> to be
> >revisited
> >> in a later age.
> >>
> >> In the relationship area, thing became Quite Confusing. 
> Particularly for
> >actual
> >> men and women. Particularly if said men and women were engaging 
> in
> >> relationships. This has not yet been resolved, except in 
> individual cases.
> >This
> >> will take some time to sort our, and will cause some hurt 
> feelings,
> >> misunderstanding and scared people along the way. One hopes that, 
> in the
> >> process, Good Things will also come from this: an end to domestic 
> violence
> >> (toward both genders), some thought about allowing personal 
> choice and
> >freedom
> >> as to how to order one's relationships (marriage or no, gay or 
> straight,
> >other
> >> cultural definitions, etc.),  and maybe the giving up of some 
> Long Held
> >> Traditional Illusions Concerning Love. Could authentic encounter 
> and love
> >that
> >> is free of illusion enter into this picture? maybe.... just 
> maybe. Given
> >time,
> >> patience and a willingness to contemplate and act. Maybe we will 
> also gain
> >some
> >> understanding of exacly what equality is, and that is the 
> $600,000
> >question.
> >> Hugs -- hang in there. Lezlie
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> 


=====
If it's not one thing it's your mother. --anon
=====
We must make peace with our karma... and apparently that does not involve
hitting it with heavy objects. --Barb Jernigan

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