From: duke 

On 27 Mar 2007 18:52:46 -0700, "<~Hey,
WhaddyaKnow?JesusSaysIAmAWhosoeverToo!~> "
 wrote:

>I hope that you're not serious.
>> Luke 14:26 (New International Version)
>> 26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and
mother, his wife
and
>> children, his brothers and sisters-yes, even his own life-he cannot be my
>> disciple.

>> Did Jesus agree with you on that?
>Hope so (since He's the one who said it).

No, he said you cannot be his disciple unless you love him more than you do
your.................

>> We're taught that's a translation problem.
>Who's "we"?

All that understand.

>> As a student, the Chrisitian disciple's knowledge and beliefs grow as he
grows.
>> He starts as a mere babe in arms to possibly a great leader in old age.
>Babe in Christ, yes.  "Babe in arms" - not quite.

Babe in arms also.

>> Absolutely almost correct.  Jesus judges us at the moment of our death.
Mat
>> 25:31-46.
>That Scripture is talking about the Judgement - not "the moment of our
>death".

That's when your specific judgment happens.  The general judgment comes later.

>> We don't know.  Mat 25:31-46.

>Aga, that Scripture is talking about the Judgement, it has nothing to
>do with who are the saved elect.

Then you define "saved" vs "judged".

>  The Word outlines what man must do
>to be saved and the Word is Truth.  If you can't rely on the Truth -
>what can you rely on?  Cathechism?  I think not.

The Catechism summarizes the bible.

>> >There are too many salvation plans in play today that are not
>> >Biblical.  For example, "Accept Jesus as your personal
Saviour."  The
>> >Bible does not say that, people say that.
>> Neither does the bible say that we can know if we are saved.
>Oh, really?

That's right.

>Try this Scripture: Acts 16:28-31
>"But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we
>are all here.  Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came
>trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, and brought them out,
>and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
>And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be
>saved, and thy house.

Does "believe in the Lord Jesus" require you believe everything he said?

>And this one: Romans 10:9
>"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt
>believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou
>shalt be saved."

Again, define the limits, if any, of "believe".

>Last time I checked both of those verses came from the Bible.

Absolutely.

>So, once again, if you can't believe the Word of Truth, what can you
>believe?  Maybe Catholicsm teaches that you can't know for sure if you
>are saved, but that's not what the Word of God teaches.

I just showed you why not.   And here's another one:

Philippians 2:12-13 (New International Version) Shining as Stars
 12Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyedùnot only in my
presence, but now much more in my absenceùcontinue to work out your
salvation with fear and trembling, 13for it is God who works in you to will
and to act according to his good purpose.

All of a sudden, things are not so assured.

>> I can't speak for protest_ants, but Catholic definitely worship God.
>And you can't speak for all Catholics either.

Sure I can, or they wouldn't be Catholic.

duke, American-American
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